[LingLing]

I am thinking about adding an average basic summer kitchen next to our pool in our large screen enclosure. I don't know how much it will cost. What kind of problem I may encounter. Obviously, plumbing work will be needed for the sink and drainage system and whether it can result in problems for our pool. I really appreciate any advice before I go shopping around. Oh, I live in Tradition, PSL.

[kort677]

Originally Posted by LingLing

I am thinking about adding an average basic summer kitchen next to our pool in our large screen enclosure. I don't know how much it will cost. What kind of problem I may encounter. Obviously, plumbing work will be needed for the sink and drainage system and whether it can result in problems for our pool. I really appreciate any advice before I go shopping around. Oh, I live in Tradition, PSL.

I cannot see it causing pool problems unless you build it too close to the pool or run the drainage near the pool, as for price, the sky is the limit, how nice do you want to make it? a basic build, sink counters, grill will cost at least 5-7k, and then you go from there.
I am redoing my backyard, new lanai, 22 feet high 50'x60', tons of concrete,20'x50', 3 sets of steps, electrical work and some minor landscaping and no kitchen and I am spending over 40k on it. the kitchen for me would be about 15k after the other work is complete.

[pslOldTimer]

Originally Posted by LingLing

I am thinking about adding an average basic summer kitchen next to our pool in our large screen enclosure. I don't know how much it will cost. What kind of problem I may encounter. Obviously, plumbing work will be needed for the sink and drainage system and whether it can result in problems for our pool. I really appreciate any advice before I go shopping around. Oh, I live in Tradition, PSL.

That was my business until I retired. I sold upscale grills and constructed custom outdoor kitchens (the term "Summer Kitchen" has largely been replaced by "Outdoor Kitchen", especially in areas like Florida and Arizona, where they are used year-round).

I got out of the business at the right time. The grills I sold were high quality, 16 gauge, type 304 stainless steel, and started at about $2,000. Today, grills that look just like them are in the bigt box stores for as little as $300 to $800. Of course, they are poorly constructed, 22 gauge, and constructed of SS that has a tendency to rust, but they set the price range, and few people will pay for the quality, today. My grill sales were dropping quickly after a new Home Depot opened a couple of miles away.l

If you want something low cost, look at Sam's club. They have grill island combos that are constructed of aluminum, some mild steel and stainless steel with a well-equipped grill and sideburner, a built-in cooler and many drawers, etc. They were $999 but have been reduced to $799. The grills have 3 main burners and a rear infrared rotisserie burner with a large spit and motor. They cook beautifully. Even though I used to sell much higher quality, I could not begin to equal this unit for 8 times the price! So, I bought one last year. I will warn that the stainless steel on the lid of the grill has lost some of it's rust-resistant qualities where the metal has been bent into a curve, and I've getting small yellow spots. This would not happen on a higher quality grill, but heck, I can buy 10 or 20 of these things for what one of my outdoor ktichens would have cost! ($8K to $16K)

If you really want the high quality and are willing to spend the money, there was a place on Macedo Blvd (off Bayshore) called Coastal Gardens which was building custom units. Also visit Grill-One near Home Depot in Jensen Beach and Paradise Patios on US 1. If you go down to Jupiter, there are a couple of good grill stores there, although it was a few years ago and I have white hair and I can't remember their names.

Few people built the entire custom setup the way we did, but some of the stores, especially the ones in Jupiter, may be able to refer you to someone.

Here is the one from Sams Club:



Here's one example of what we used to do:

[LingLing]

Originally Posted by kort677

I cannot see it causing pool problems unless you build it too close to the pool or run the drainage near the pool, as for price, the sky is the limit, how nice do you want to make it? a basic build, sink counters, grill will cost at least 5-7k, and then you go from there.
I am redoing my backyard, new lanai, 22 feet high 50'x60', tons of concrete,20'x50', 3 sets of steps, electrical work and some minor landscaping and no kitchen and I am spending over 40k on it. the kitchen for me would be about 15k after the other work is complete.

Thanks. I saw a nice outdoor kitchen in Costco for $2000. I guess the installation will cost more. Is it possible for me to buy in Costco and find someone to install it? Or it is better off to buy a whole package (kitchen plus installation) from a shop specialized in grills. It is good to know that it is going to cost around 5K-7K. I don't plan on anything fancy.

[kort677]

Originally Posted by LingLing

Thanks. I saw a nice outdoor kitchen in Costco for $2000. I guess the installation will cost more. Is it possible for me to buy in Costco and find someone to install it? Or it is better off to buy a whole package (kitchen plus installation) from a shop specialized in grills. It is good to know that it is going to cost around 5K-7K. I don't plan on anything fancy.

see that post from the guy who was in the business.

remember you get what you pay for, and that 2k grill might look nice now but how long will it last?
I've found that you are better off getting top quality appliances first off and their longer life will offset the higher costs

[LingLing]

Thanks, psl OldTimer. I will go check out the sam club. The one in the attachment is what I really want. I want to know how much headache will cause me if I plan to put in the sink. In addition to the cost, I am a bit afraid of digging up all the concrete and causing a major mess.

[pslOldTimer]

Originally Posted by LingLing

Thanks, psl OldTimer. I will go check out the sam club. The one in the attachment is what I really want. I want to know how much headache will cause me if I plan to put in the sink. In addition to the cost, I am a bit afraid of digging up all the concrete and causing a major mess.

There are two main issues and one minor issue with the sink. First, you have to get the water to the sink. Depending on your layout, it can sometimes be brought from a nearby hose bib. We have added a "tee" behind the hose bib, run a water line down the exterior wall and buried it around to the patio, where we bring it up again to the back wall of the cabinet, if the cabinet is at the edge of the patio. You just have to think "outside the box". In other cases, it is so difficult and so expensive that a sink is just out of the question. The minor issue is that water is cold only; you either live with cold water only or add a "hot spot" electric water heater inside the cabinet (about $160 at Lowes).

The other major issue is there has to be a way to drain the water. What we did was to install a "dry well" in the yard outside the patio -- again, this works only as long as the cabinet is at the outside edge of the patio. In this case, the "dry well" is simply a buried 5 gallon plastic pail, with holes in the bottom and a solid lid to keep it the dirt, filled with gravel or pebbles, with a pipe running into it from the sink drain. This is legal in many areas as long as it is just "grey" water (from a sink, "black" water is from a toilet). I don't know if it is legal in PSL or not; we just did it, with the full knowledge and understanding of the homeowner. It always worked as long as the water table was lower than the bucket; all bets are off if the yard floods.

This attachment shows one installed that way. Just out of the picture on the left (you can see the slight shadow) is a coiled hose attached to a hose bib. The original hose bib is under the cabinet; we installed a "tee" and ran the water line inside the cabinet to the sink, and went the other way to the outside of the cabinet for the hose. From the sink, we ran a drain line alongside the house, but inside the cabinet, to the outside wall where the grill is. We punched through that wall and buried the dry well among the shrubs. This particular one has 16' of cabinet and some custom SS doors; it ran about $20K. The wall and alcove where the grill is installed were already there; there was a cheap, worn-out grill and hood installed there when we arrived and gutted it.

[LingLing]

Hi, pslOldTimer
Thank you very much. I save all your comments in my computer. We will have to think about it with all the info you provided. I think a sink may have to be eliminated from our plan.

[tallrick]

Why not just cut a drum and use the hose and a table?

[kort677]

Originally Posted by tallrick

Why not just cut a drum and use the hose and a table?

could it be because many of us have class?