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Old 04-02-2012, 11:49 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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The meat is not misted with ammonia, but with ammonium hydroxide.
ammonium hydroxide is simply the full chemical name for commercial ammonia. NH4OH is the chemical symbol.
Pure ammonia is a gas - NH3. In order to "mist" it, you need to add water, which provides the hydrogen.

Note that ammonia can be considered a perfectly natural organic chemical - often found in nature.
The use of this chemical on P.S. is not a bad thing or an unhealthy thing.
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Just because it is illegal does not mean it isn't done when no one is looking:
Just because it is possible to commit a crime doesn't mean all opportunity to commit it should be banned.

Lots of bad stuff happens with vegetable processing.

If they drop your broccoli on the ground, you don't think they just throw it away then do you?
When a field worker has to eliminate and they are hundreds of yards away from a building,
guess what happens? Do they wash their hands? ( Maybe by peeing on them ... )

My "beef" ( heh ) with Pink Slime is trying to make it palatable by calling it "processed meat."
That makes it sound like it's just hamburger. It clearly is not.

However, it should be noted by the vegan crowd is that there have not been a jillion recalls recently
over tainted meat like there has been with tainted lettuce and tainted tomatoes and stuff like that.

After the ammonia treatment, P.S. is not ever likely to cause a health scare.

Human beings, like all apes, bears, and many other species are omnivores. We were meant to eat meat.
You can see it in the teeth. If we were meant to never eat meat, we would have teeth like horses or cows.
Humans were always meant to eat everything. Humans were only meant to eat vegetables between kills.

Herbivores should eat like herbivores.
Carnivores should eat like carnivores.

Guess what omnivores should eat like?

That being said, I expect my hamburger to only be hamburger and not P.S.
I also expect my hamburger to have hot green chile on it, but I digress ...

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Old 04-02-2012, 11:57 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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In China, they tend to eat pork and poultry and fish more than beef. But they still eat meat (some people seem to have this illusion that if it isn't beef, it's not meat - odd that).
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Old 04-02-2012, 01:24 PM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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In China, they tend to eat pork and poultry and fish more than beef.
That's also true in most of Asia with their crushing population and lack of flat land.

You can raise those animals on small plots with relatively little resources.

In Japan, I've seen barns where cows are kept for milk production.
They never see the direct light of day their whole lives. The Northern
Island, OTOH, has space to graze, but it's still real expensive meat.
Meat is used like a spice - rather than an entrée.

Americans are lucky.
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Old 04-03-2012, 03:03 AM
 
Location: on an island
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Our schools are eliminating the use of pink slime after this month.
Apparently a lot of places have been eliminating pink slime.

"Pink Slime" Maker files for bankruptcy
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:20 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Of course, they are. Doesn't matter if it's really bad for you or good for you, consumer perception as manipulated by the media is everything.
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Old 04-04-2012, 10:47 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque
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Of course, they are. Doesn't matter if it's really bad for you or good for you, consumer perception as manipulated by the media is everything.
It's not manipulated.

It is the truth and there is no way that people want to eat that stuff.
The places going bankrupt are companies that should not have existed
in the first place. That is what capitalism is all about.

They were in the business of taking something that should really be
sewage and mixing it in with food. There's lots of stuff in sewage
that isn't harmful and could be eaten, but no one wants to eat it.

There is an old saw:

What do you get when you take one drop of sewage and put it in a gallon of water?
What do you get when you take one drop of water and put it in a gallon of sewage?

For those not following - the answer is sewage.

Now replace those words water/sewag with hamburger/Pink Slime.

It's the same for irradiating food or pumping hormones into cattle such
that it gets into the milk. It may or may not be harmful, but hiding the
truth is definitely harmful. Always has been. Always will be.

Propping up companies by hiding the truth or bailing them out is
socialism. I'm not for that particular system of government.

If I was in the business of cattle ranching, I would not want a nice market
like that of ground beef getting soft while others were trying to prop up
the Pink Slime industry. It looks like a huge impact, but what if people
stopped buying ground beef altogether? Now that would be huge.

I wonder how many people are not buying hamburger because of the new knowledge
that they have about what they've been eating? How many jobs have been lost?

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Old 04-04-2012, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Central Texas
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Yes, consumer perception is absolutely manipulated. All the time, and the only way for that manipulation to be successful is for people to deny that it's happening to them, because if they acknowledge that it is manipulation and actually investigate for themselves, it stops working.

Being manipulated is when you let other people with something to gain use your fear responses to get you to believe what they want you to believe. That goes for those few cases of foods that aren't good for you AND it goes for those organizations and individuals who benefit from consumers believing whatever the scare tactic du jour is (and there have been a LOT of them over time) to create the need for their continued existence (organizations) or being perceived as "experts" so they can publish and get contributions and fame (individuals).

What's truly dangerous is the number of people who swallow whole whatever they're told that's most outrageous or titillating.
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Old 04-04-2012, 11:29 AM
 
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^manipulation to the nth, absolutely.

why else are we hearing endless stories about ammonia treatment and 'pink slime,' yet not one peep about the hundreds of other substances that are allowed and approved as meat and poultry treatments, the majority of which require no labelling whatsoever?
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Old 04-04-2012, 01:32 PM
 
Location: on an island
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Of course, they are. Doesn't matter if it's really bad for you or good for you, consumer perception as manipulated by the media is everything.
You would be amazed at how heedless many people actually are about nutrition, and how little they care what does or does not go into their dinner.
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What's truly dangerous is the number of people who swallow whole whatever they're told that's most outrageous or titillating.
Well, I was glad to read both The Jungle years ago, as well as Fast Food Nation back when it was published. To me, those two works were illuminating.

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^manipulation to the nth, absolutely.

why else are we hearing endless stories about ammonia treatment and 'pink slime,' yet not one peep about the hundreds of other substances that are allowed and approved as meat and poultry treatments, the majority of which require no labelling whatsoever?
I suppose because there are a lot of big words? I looked up Acidified sodium chlorite and it appears that is has been tested and re-tested for the past ten years or so.
Acetic acid looks rather forbidding. Fortunately, I won't be eating dried fermented sausages any time soon.
In all seriousness, I agree that many people do latch on to the latest media scare and/or are too busy or lazy to properly research what is in their sustenance.
OTOH, many consumers simply don't know and don't care. They are happy to simply be able to buy a package and take it home.
Our food supply is cheaper than ever, but the quality has suffered.
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Old 04-04-2012, 09:35 PM
 
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Acetic acid looks rather forbidding.

Acetic acid has been added to food for generations. Acetic acid is VINEGAR.
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