'Meat glue' poses health risks (hamburger, organic, healthier, meal)

[fibonacci]

Meat glue poses more risk than the meat itself? Red meats themselves are known carcinogens.

[missik999]

It just seems like one thing after another with red meat.

Another cow confirmed with Mad Cow disease last month in California, and now a second farm has been quarantined.

Why doesn't the USDA ban the practice of using bovine carcasses as ingredients in cattle feed? Of course diseases are spread when cattle are fed carcasses of other cows, when some no doubt had various diseases?

[uggabugga]

Originally Posted by missik999

It just seems like one thing after another with red meat.

Another cow confirmed with Mad Cow disease last month in California, and now a second farm has been quarantined.

Why doesn't the USDA ban the practice of using bovine carcasses as ingredients in cattle feed? Of course diseases are spread when cattle are fed carcasses of other cows, when some no doubt had various diseases?

it is banned.

the california cow had atypical BSE, which arises from a mutation, not what they've been fed.

http://blogs.usda.gov/2012/04/25/usd...cent_bse_case/


as to the OP, the health risk seems to be from the increased chance of having e. coli in the interior of the meat where they may not be killed if the cut isn't cooked well - not from the 'meat glue' itself, which they note occurs naturally in blood anyway.

[hueyeats]

Originally Posted by fibonacci

Meat glue poses more risk than the meat itself? Red meats themselves are known carcinogens.

Uh huh... I love the scare tactics of vegans... they are so miserable with what they "have to eat" that strict diet, they try to pass that same misery unto others hopefully we'll all be miserable just like them...

Errr so does everything & anything else.
Like that organic veggie / fruit (apples) you eat could be tainted by petrolleum splashed up by another car during transportation...
Or handled by another customer who have hep B or salmonella on their hands... Ooooooh!!!

"Why it's Bad to Eat Too Many Vegetable Oils: That's right, one more things is bad for you! Vegetable oils contains Omega-6 fatty acids, and we eat lots of these. Sunflower oil, soybean oil, safflower oil and most other vegetable oils contain lots of Omega-6 fatty acids. This is bad for a couple of reasons:

1. Omega-6 fatty acids feed tumors. Cancer growth rates nearly explode in the presence of a high level of Omega-6 fatty acids (which many of us have). On the other hand, Omega-3 fatty acids slow the growth rate of tumors significantly, or even decrease their size.

2. The enzymes used to break parent Omega-6 fatty acids down into various compounds are shared by Omega-3 fatty acids. If you have a lot of Omega-6 fatty acids in your blood stream and only a small amount of Omega-3 fatty acids, the enzymes will probably be used up by the Omega-6 fatty acids, and you will be unable to manufacture DHA out of ALA.

3. Omega-6 fatty acids are broken down into substances which promote inflammation and other problems while Omega-3 fatty acids are broken down into substances that reduce inflammation. Therefore, there should be a balance between the two oil. The typical ratio in the U.S. is currently 22:1 in favor of the Omega-6 fatty acids. The ideal ratio is between 1:1 and 4:1."

~ http://borntoexplore.org/omega.htm

General conclusion... IMHO
a totally vegan diet makes people very gullible & easy to mind control (read above, even baby needs that animal fat to build brain cells) since they obviously "buy into" scammer's views & follow trends like that herd of sheep. Their body must really be telling them they lack "something" to make them whole!!!

Talk about food chain,
how high up humans have developed intelligence-wise (but, are we going backwards???)...
Even in one of the latest dinosaurs article... they did say... a vegetable eating dinosaurs is on that lower food chain than its carnivorous cousin.

Yah...
I'd rather be that "top of the food chain" at a party with meat grilling than invited to that vegan one NTY.

[TexasHorseLady]

Originally Posted by fibonacci

Meat glue poses more risk than the meat itself? Red meats themselves are known carcinogens.

Cite please, to a non-vegetarian/vegan site?

[missik999]

Originally Posted by TexasHorseLady

Cite please, to a non-vegetarian/vegan site?

Eating a single serving of red meat per day may raise the risk of an early death, according to a new study on ABC news site. Read the article and watch the video:

Red Meat Tied to Increased Mortality Risk - ABC News

[smokingGun]

Although "meat glue" has gotten a bad rep in the press for its ability to transform scraps into "mock" filet's, it's actually widely used in very high-end gourmet kitchens, especially in cutting-edge restaurants noted for molecular gastronomy like Alinea and WD-50. Even the French Laundry uses it to mold proteins into novel shapes without having to grind it up. You can see some examples of techniques employed here: Tiny Urban Kitchen: Wylie Dufresne - "Meat Glue Mania"

I can see the outrage of customers fooled into thinking they were eating an actual filet or tenderloin (and paying top $$$ for it) but I bet the vast majority of cases involve cheaper hotel/banquet food where clients want a gourmet dinner on a beer budget. Most ppl know how expensive a filet is at Ruth's Chris, so if you see a similar cut on the menu somewhere else for 1/5 of the price it should make you stop & think.

[fibonacci]

Originally Posted by hueyeats

Uh huh... I love the scare tactics of vegans... they are so miserable with what they "have to eat" that strict diet, they try to pass that same misery unto others hopefully we'll all be miserable just like them...

Errr so does everything & anything else.
Like that organic veggie / fruit (apples) you eat could be tainted by petrolleum splashed up by another car during transportation...
Or handled by another customer who have hep B or salmonella on their hands... Ooooooh!!!

"Why it's Bad to Eat Too Many Vegetable Oils: That's right, one more things is bad for you! Vegetable oils contains Omega-6 fatty acids, and we eat lots of these. Sunflower oil, soybean oil, safflower oil and most other vegetable oils contain lots of Omega-6 fatty acids. This is bad for a couple of reasons:

1. Omega-6 fatty acids feed tumors. Cancer growth rates nearly explode in the presence of a high level of Omega-6 fatty acids (which many of us have). On the other hand, Omega-3 fatty acids slow the growth rate of tumors significantly, or even decrease their size.

2. The enzymes used to break parent Omega-6 fatty acids down into various compounds are shared by Omega-3 fatty acids. If you have a lot of Omega-6 fatty acids in your blood stream and only a small amount of Omega-3 fatty acids, the enzymes will probably be used up by the Omega-6 fatty acids, and you will be unable to manufacture DHA out of ALA.

3. Omega-6 fatty acids are broken down into substances which promote inflammation and other problems while Omega-3 fatty acids are broken down into substances that reduce inflammation. Therefore, there should be a balance between the two oil. The typical ratio in the U.S. is currently 22:1 in favor of the Omega-6 fatty acids. The ideal ratio is between 1:1 and 4:1."

~ Fatty Acid Deficiencies and ADD

General conclusion... IMHO
a totally vegan diet makes people very gullible & easy to mind control (read above, even baby needs that animal fat to build brain cells) since they obviously "buy into" scammer's views & follow trends like that herd of sheep. Their body must really be telling them they lack "something" to make them whole!!!

Talk about food chain,
how high up humans have developed intelligence-wise (but, are we going backwards???)...
Even in one of the latest dinosaurs article... they did say... a vegetable eating dinosaurs is on that lower food chain than its carnivorous cousin.

Yah...
I'd rather be that "top of the food chain" at a party with meat grilling than invited to that vegan one NTY.

Wow, way to waste your breath. I'm not even vegetarian or vegan.

And way to reference, from what sounds like, terrible science. Omega 6 fatty acids when added to cancer cells cause them to grow? Laughable. If you add glucose to cancer cells directly, guess what, they grow too but we all know glucose is essential for life.



Heck even adrenaline can cause tumors to grow and proliferate.

Cite please, to a non-vegetarian/vegan site?

Sure, here is research from journals with an impact factor all above 3:

http://www.nature.com/bjc/journal/v106/n3/full/bjc2011549a.html (broken link)
Red and processed meat and colorectal cancer incide... [PLoS One. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
Red and processed meat consumption and risk of p... [Br J Cancer. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI
Impact of meat consumption, preparation, and mutage... [PLoS One. 2011] - PubMed - NCBI
[url=http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJM199012133232404[/url]
[url=http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMra021562[/url]
Meat Consumption and Risk of Colorectal Cancer, January 12, 2005, Chao et al. 293 (2): 172
Intake of red meat and heterocyclic amines, met... [Int J Cancer. 2012] - PubMed - NCBI


And that's just for starters. A "serving" of meat by the way is supposed to mean a portion the size of a deck of cards. How many people do you think eat that amount when eating red meat when cooking on the grill?

[Jellybean50]

Thankfully no more meat or meat products for me - or poultry.

Just some seafood now and then, fruits and veggies, beans, free range local eggs, Greek yogurt, and almond milk.

I feel so much better - mentally and physically.

[nmnita]

Originally Posted by missik999

Eating a single serving of red meat per day may raise the risk of an early death, according to a new study on ABC news site. Read the article and watch the video:

Red Meat Tied to Increased Mortality Risk - ABC News

Gee, I should have told that to my MIL who died at 97, or my dad who was gone at an early age of 93. Maybe I need to warn my step mom, she is only 94. Studies can produce any results they want.

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