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Old 08-15-2012, 05:55 AM
 
Location: Sneads Ferry NC/Randolph NJ/Cape Coral FL
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Dr Oz is a quack imo that shot to the limelight thanks to Oprah another quack, very rich quack but quack none the less
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:06 AM
 
Location: Nebraska
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I have always found it amusing that people tout skim and fat-free milk these days, when during the Depression, my mother, aunts and uncles could only get 'bluejohn' - the 'milk' left over after all of the fat and cream had been skimmed off and sold for butter, cream, etc to the 'rich people'. It was well known then that 'bluejohn' had zero nutritive value; that there was not enough calcium in it to keep the kids' teeth from rotting, and that it was one step up from water in both flavor and nutrition. For us kids growing up, we always had whole milk at my mother's insistence, and not one of us was ever fat. Of course, we were physically active, outside all day til the streetlights came on, and healthy. I still remember the cream in the glass bottles pushing up through the foil caps on our twice weekly milk deliveries; we'd scrape it off and eat it like candy before we poured out the milk.

Lifestyles are what matter; and a healthy lifestyle that includes wholesome, unprocessed foods in a full-ranging diet along with exercise and good sleep habits are what grow healthy children into healthy adults. Experts' opinions change faster than the weather - facts don't.
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Old 08-15-2012, 06:19 AM
 
Location: EPWV
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I have always found it amusing that people tout skim and fat-free milk these days, when during the Depression, my mother, aunts and uncles could only get 'bluejohn' - the 'milk' left over after all of the fat and cream had been skimmed off and sold for butter, cream, etc to the 'rich people'. It was well known then that 'bluejohn' had zero nutritive value; that there was not enough calcium in it to keep the kids' teeth from rotting, and that it was one step up from water in both flavor and nutrition. For us kids growing up, we always had whole milk at my mother's insistence, and not one of us was ever fat. Of course, we were physically active, outside all day til the streetlights came on, and healthy. I still remember the cream in the glass bottles pushing up through the foil caps on our twice weekly milk deliveries; we'd scrape it off and eat it like candy before we poured out the milk.

Lifestyles are what matter; and a healthy lifestyle that includes wholesome, unprocessed foods in a full-ranging diet along with exercise and good sleep habits are what grow healthy children into healthy adults. Experts' opinions change faster than the weather - facts don't.
I can't speak to "bluejohn" but as a kid growing up, we had the whole milk not 2% or 1% or skim. Did not have any overweight issues. We just participated in activities, whether it was baseball/softball, tag football, basketball, swimming, and bicycling to friend's homes and also kid games like hide and go seek.

We had gym class at least once a week, maybe twice and there was recess. I don't think some schools do either of these things anymore.
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Old 08-15-2012, 07:16 AM
 
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In our house we drink and cook with 2% milk at all times.
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Old 08-15-2012, 07:19 AM
 
Location: Buxton, England
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Well when they take fat out of these foods they tend to put more sugar in, sugar is usually metabolised faster into actual body fat than dietary fat is, via high insulin levels, which may be the basis for his statement. I've always had the whole fat everything because I think it's healthier than these things with added sugar and funny enough I'm slim and healthy with low cholesterol.
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Old 08-15-2012, 07:43 AM
 
Location: Edmond, OK
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I personally switched over to skim, not because I am concerned about calories (although I should be) but because I love milk but I have to really watch my cholesterol. It was switch to skim or give up milk all together. My husband refused to drink anything but whole milk. He is in great shape and has no cholesterol issues.

I'd never heard the "bluejohn" term before, but my father in law always referred to skim milk as "blue milk". I guess that's where it got the term.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:05 AM
 
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Well, I don't drink milk at all (love butter and cheese, though) milk never agreed with me. My hubby likes milk with his cereal, but it was giving him problems so we dropped the dairy and switched to almond milk - he had great lab reports from his last doctor visit - cholesterol and blood sugar all WAY down!

But for what it's worth, if someone wants to drink milk, I believe whole is best.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:50 AM
 
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There is only one key to weight loss, not including water retenion which is temporary, calories in vesus calories used.

Everything else are conditions that effect that process period.
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Old 08-15-2012, 08:55 AM
 
Location: N of citrus, S of decent corn
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Dr Oz is a quack imo that shot to the limelight thanks to Oprah another quack, very rich quack but quack none the less
He is no quack, but I think he has tarnished his reputation as a renowned heart surgeon by becoming yet another show biz expert. It would be hard for anyone to turn down the Oprah money.
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Old 08-15-2012, 09:04 AM
 
Location: Central Midwest
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When my cardiologist first said I had to switch to skim milk because of heart and cholestrol issues, I thought I would gag at the taste. But once you get used to it the taste was good. It's whatever you get used to. Now I would gag on whole milk or even 2% or 1%. I don't worry about sugar as my other medical worries far outweigh sugar content. And I do listen to my own cardio doc and not a tv doctor.
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