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Well, to be fair, the Taco isn't really comparable with the Maverick. It's Ranger-sized.
I also wouldn't put a whole lot of stock in data collected by Consumer Reports, but that comes from having worked in the industry (ironically, for Ford) for over a decade and knowing a bit about their cherrypicking practices. New vehicle surveys sent out by independent data gathering shops, which are totally brand-agnostic and do not sell their findings to the public, are a much better gauge of customer sentiment. So are warranty claims, assuming you can get your hands on that data.
I totally agree, but he was the one who mentioned the Tacoma. That's the whole point of this thread is his question about why it's so popular, and he cannot get past his anti Ford bias to see the Maverick for what it is and is not. It's not a sedan with a box. It's not a truck with a body on frame. It's really an Escape with a box, making it a different kind of truck that can do some cool things that people obviously want, hence the popularity. The only direct comparitors so far are the Ridgeline and Santa Fe.
Furthermore, I already put in enough time on writing the post, so purposely I only spent about 20 min on Google trying to find the most applicable articles. The CR articles were there so I used them. And it was still more than he ever provided for his argument. I do know that Ford does look at the CR ratings internally, or at least did a while ago.
It's really an Escape with a box, making it a different kind of truck that can do some cool things that people obviously want, hence the popularity.
I'd say, at least given its looks, it's closer to the BSport than the Escape, but yeah, same idea.
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The only direct comparitors so far are the Ridgeline and Santa Fe.
I wouldn't even put Ridgeline in the same category. Too big.
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I do know that Ford does look at the CR ratings internally, or at least did a while ago.
Not only that, Ford also...how do I put this...builds to CR spec? Basically, CR ratings used to be (don't know if they still are) a target to which a new model was built.
I'd say, at least given its looks, it's closer to the BSport than the Escape, but yeah, same idea. I wouldn't even put Ridgeline in the same category. Too big.Not only that, Ford also...how do I put this...builds to CR spec? Basically, CR ratings used to be (don't know if they still are) a target to which a new model was built.
Yeah, they're all on the same platform.
The Ridgeline set the standard. It's been the benchmark for unitized body trucks for some time. Ford decided to downsize from it. You're correct that the Santa Fe is closer.
They definitely use CR ratings and methods as a way to evaluate attributes during development.
THAT'S IT!! That seals the deal! Go buy your Tacoma, it's your money, spend thousands more, and suck more fuel. Knock yourself out. Savvy Maverick owners will be enjoying their fine vehicles without any further thought of your snarky crap.
I want to like the Maverick but it's still a Ford.
2 years of reliability ratings hardly puts it on the same level as decades-tested Tacoma's.
Get back to me in a few years and we'll see how many Mavericks hold up for 250-300k+ miles without any major overhauls of the engines or transmissions.
Hopefully they'll be great, but I'll be shocked and pleasantly surprised if they are.
Another thing: Mavericks are currently being listed in the upper $30k's to lower $40k's.
That's a far cry from the $19k-27k we were told in the beginning.
They lost me more on that than they even did on reliability.
At $40k, I can get into a more-capable-but-still-not-too-big Ridgeline. And I'd trust it more to boot, in the long run.
[quote=Vision67;65371488]I suggest you review this video and decide for yourself if Ford made the best trade offs to achieve its price and reliability goals.
Whether it turns out they hit the ball out of the park or its a dud. People STILL want to buy a small pickup truck. Built by CR ratings or any ratings. More manufacturers will follow. Lets see how they do. I also suspect the price gouging is happening on the Mavericks to.
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