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Old 02-14-2009, 12:16 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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Thank CAFE standards for this. The "cut-off trunk" look is done to reduce drag and increase fuel economy.



I have heard that, but A longer trunk that helped direct the airflow back together would be bettter. A short stub creates turbulace behind the car. That turbulance will actuly hurt mpg and power at mild hwy. and up speeds. Carry that tapered roofline back another 18 inches, and move the rear tires back 5", and that car would gain 1/2 mile on the economy scale.
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:04 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Well tapering the roofline back is exactly what they've done and that's why cars today have the dimensions that they do. That's also why trunks look shorter these days even though their capacity hasn't gone down much -- it's just that now more of its capacity intrudes into the cabin space than it did when they hung out the back like a caboose.
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Old 02-14-2009, 01:06 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Maybe if they can make a Taurus that lasts beyond 100k then I'll be interested.
I have one in my driveway right now that's still going strong at 160K. It looks like hell but mechanically it's nearly flawless. Of course, having a Yamaha engine helps.
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Old 02-14-2009, 02:15 AM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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Ford is on a roll. Once the economy shapes up and people get their heads back in the game, Ford will dominate the American market and win back many buyers (myself included). Ford has shaped up big time. I find most of their new models to be superior to any Toyotas or Hondas Ive driven, no joke, dont laugh! They have actually tied Toyota and Honda in the latest reliability reports, and their designs are EONS BEYOND EONS better than the fugly crap that Toyota and Honda have been puking out of their butts lately. The new F-series trucks are incredible, the Focus remains strong and reliable, the Fusion Hybrid is the best in its class by a long shot, the new Flex is innovative and intriguing, the Edge is solid, etc, etc. And with the upcoming GT500 (540 hp I believe), Raptor, etc, Ford is just running away with the show.
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Old 02-14-2009, 02:20 AM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
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Word has it AWD is in the offering, possibly as part of a twin-turbo package reviving the SHO name. This is basically a Volvo platform that is already fitted for and implements AWD. Unfortunately it's one of those silly Haldex systems that sends all the torque to the front wheels until they slip and only then does it send any torque to the rear wheels.
If Ford would offer the EcoBoost engine in their sport models, it would be GAME OVER for the competition. There is talk that the EcoBoost will replace the V8s in the trucks, theyre that good! Id love to see the TT 6 holer shoved into a RWD Taurus, Ford needs a sports sedan to compete with the CTS-V.
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Old 02-14-2009, 04:29 AM
 
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We have had good luck with our recent year model Fords holding. And the Taurus is made in america factories I believe. I saw the looks of that new one a few months back and we are thinking of purchasing one - NOT in the first model year of course.

We did have an F150 that was made in windsor Canada.

That new flex is an unusual looking car but I like it. Like the focus, rode in one, very nice ride, but I liked my 1992 Ford escort better for some reason. Sold that to a friend and it has well into the hundreds of thousands of miles on it. But I think that year vintage was a mazda protege in disguise if I am correct.

They do have too many models though (explorer can go away now) and they need to streamline their ops. Like the Ford edge but I have problems with the visibility in many of the "crossovers" as I am short. And the edge is one of those.
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Old 02-14-2009, 07:14 AM
 
Location: TX and NM on the border of the Great Southwest.
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Depwends on if they up the qaulity;otherwise i will never buy another domestic car personally. They five hundred dollar you to death after three years.
Me too. The domestic automakers have "planned obsolescence" down to a science. Unfortunately they failed to plan for their own. Having been "nickeled and dimed" to death over the past forty six years, I won't live long for American car manufacturers to prove they've improved their quality and service. However, I am glad that someone is still buying their products.
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Old 02-14-2009, 08:14 AM
 
Location: Chicago
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Id love to see the TT 6 holer shoved into a RWD Taurus, Ford needs a sports sedan to compete with the CTS-V.
Not gonna happen. GM can do the CTS-V because it's a super-niche version of a relatively niche car in the grand scheme of GM's lineup. The Taurus, on the other hand, is striving not to be a relatively niche car but a bread-and-butter car. Ford has stated flat-out that development of a new RWD platform is on indefinite haitus largely on account of tightening fuel economy standards. Ford can't afford to have a bread-and-butter car like the Taurus built on a RWD platform while trying to meet ever-tightening CAFE mandates, and they won't build a one-off RWD platform just for a specialty Taurus.

In the absence of a RWD SHO, I wish they'd re-orient the Haldex AWD system to deliver the primary torque to the rear wheels instead of the front. But again, fuel economy reasons dictate the torque be delivered to the front wheels.
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Old 02-14-2009, 06:22 PM
 
Location: Northeast Tennessee
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I have one in my driveway right now that's still going strong at 160K. It looks like hell but mechanically it's nearly flawless. Of course, having a Yamaha engine helps.
I had a 1998 Taurus LX with 262K when I sold it. Looked good, engine was still excellent, but the transmission was going out. It had been a company car, very well serviced, which was probably why it was still running like new at 262K.
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Old 02-15-2009, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
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Ford is on a roll. Once the economy shapes up and people get their heads back in the game, Ford will dominate the American market and win back many buyers (myself included). Ford has shaped up big time. I find most of their new models to be superior to any Toyotas or Hondas Ive driven, no joke, dont laugh! They have actually tied Toyota and Honda in the latest reliability reports, and their designs are EONS BEYOND EONS better than the fugly crap that Toyota and Honda have been puking out of their butts lately. The new F-series trucks are incredible, the Focus remains strong and reliable, the Fusion Hybrid is the best in its class by a long shot, the new Flex is innovative and intriguing, the Edge is solid, etc, etc. And with the upcoming GT500 (540 hp I believe), Raptor, etc, Ford is just running away with the show.


It's sad that people think an American company like Ford isn't as good as toyoda when the warrenty work per thousand vehicles shows clearly that Ford is ahead of toyoda and honda, even ahead of lexus in many vehicle line ups. I know that the Ford Explorer was the safest SUV on the road when the liers at nbc, cBS,and abc started their bogus rollover unsafe explorer takeout. Why did they do it? To help their retirement funds grow, since toyoda wasn't selling many pos land crusiers or that other just as ugly mid sized suv. Funny, out of the warrenty repairs from 2 years ago, (both public and "silent" which is if you take the vehicle in, the dealer fixes it and doesn't mention it, done usually at the toyoda and honda dealers more than any others) Ford had less than 120 per thousand vehicles made, while toyoda was at the 137 per one thousand made level. Yet you didn't hear THAT on the nightly news did you?
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