U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive > Brand-specific forums > Ford and Lincoln
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-16-2009, 01:24 PM
 
Location: US Empire, Pac NW
5,008 posts, read 10,342,741 times
Reputation: 4125

Advertisements

The truth is many people are simply not convinced the Big Three can make a reliable car. Many above posts reflect that. And having 3 years of reliability numbers won't be enough to persuade some - it will take 10-20 years for that. To some degree, the Big Three deserve it. But on the other hand, I absolutely HATE the new generation Hondas and Toyotas. Ugly, not terribly efficient (a VW Golf TDI will beat the pants off the Prius in MPG any day), and the quality just sucks. Nissan makes some nice looking cars and I'm considering one for my next family sedan.

But Ford in particular has gotten the point. The new Fiesta looks awesome, the quality is very good, the efficiency is staggering, and the transmission was mostly designed in Europe, so no worries about terrible American managers screwing the design up via "cost efficiency". For proof, check out Jeremy Clarkson's review. Pay attention to the last bit where IT CAN DRIVE THROUGH WATER THAT IS UP TO ITS GRILL! AND IT DOESN'T LEAK! AND IT'S QUIET!

Finally, the same design teams that built the European Ford Focus made that one, so you know it will be reliable. My dad's got a second year Focus and it has nearly 160k on it. He's driven that into the ground and NOTHING has gone wrong iwth it, NOTHING. Even the AC and heating work perfectly. ANd that's after 10 years! If that doesn't dispell the rumor that "All American cars suck" ... I don't know what will and you're living ina dream land with an unstoppable love affair with Japanese cars, despite the fact new ones are junk.


Anyway, electric cars are much simpler and there's really only one moving part besides the wheels. So, whether they can make a good transmission or not may be a moot point in the future. And you have to know that cars will be electrified, whether you agree with the business case or not.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-16-2009, 01:47 PM
 
Location: North Beach, MD on the Chesapeake
31,427 posts, read 38,219,323 times
Reputation: 39521
I've mentioned this before but I've had three 95 Tauruses with one having 250K on the original engine (transmission went at 120K but that was my fault for taking it through a flood during a hurricane) and still running. One was traded for a 98 Taurus (totalled at 120K) and the third one is out front with 50K on it. The 02 Taurus has 150K+ on it, the 03 F150 at 110K, the 03 Focus has 85K (overdrive went on it during warranty). The 01 Nissan Frontier lost the transmission at 100K. The 10 Forester got a parking lot dent two weeks ago.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-17-2009, 10:04 AM
 
3,142 posts, read 7,086,855 times
Reputation: 870
American engineering is what matters to me... My biggest concerns are drivetrain, suspension and features... styling doesnt really sway me one way or the other. Ford and GM have climbed to the top once again.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-17-2009, 10:38 AM
 
31,385 posts, read 30,672,407 times
Reputation: 14865
The Buick LaCrosse the Lexus killer

2010 Buick Lacrosse Front Three Quarter View Photo (http://www.motortrend.com/roadtests/sedans/112_0901_2010_buick_lacrosse_first_look/photo_01.html - broken link)
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-17-2009, 10:43 AM
 
Location: Eastern NC
17,644 posts, read 16,261,797 times
Reputation: 15545
Quote:
Originally Posted by mustang84 View Post
For those of you that don't think Ford has improved in quality vs. the Japanese, go to MSN or Yahoo autos and read the user reviews of the 2006-present Camry & Accord vs. the 2006-present Ford Fusion.

MSN Autos average user rating
2010 Ford Fusion: 9.9/10
2009 Honda Accord: 8.3/10 (there was no 2010 page yet)
2010 Toyota Camry: 7.3/10

2010 Ford Fusion Detailed Pricing and Specifications - MSN Autos
2009 Honda Accord Reviews - MSN Autos
2010 Toyota Camry Detailed Pricing and Specifications - MSN Autos

Yahoo autos average user rating
2009 Ford Fusion: 4.5 stars/5
2009 Honda Accord: 3.5 stars/5
2009 Toyota Camry: 3 stars/5

2009 Ford Fusion Reviews & ratings - Yahoo! Autos
2009 Toyota Camry Reviews & ratings - Yahoo! Autos
User Reviews - 2009 Honda Accord Sedan EX V-6 5-Spd AT - Yahoo! Autos (http://autos.yahoo.com/honda_accord_sedan_ex_v_6_5_spd_at-reviews_user/ - broken link)

And for those wondering about where the 2010 Taurus is manufactured (along with the previous Taurus/500/Montego/Sable), they are built at Ford's Chicago Assembly. The Lincoln MKS is also built in Chicago.
I read some of those reviews and I found it hard to believe that people would give a car one star because it has a bad sound system or it is uncomfortable because the person is fat. I even find some of the bad reviews suspect like the one guy who has a brand new 2009 that is already out of warrenty and claims that the tranny is bad but nevers goes into why or what happened or how another one claims that the chevy is better, did he ever really drive one?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-17-2009, 09:38 PM
 
1,634 posts, read 3,300,934 times
Reputation: 537
Quote:
Originally Posted by PurpleLove08 View Post
Kinda reminds me of a watered down version of the Accord.
I'm just worried about the reliability.
Quote:
Originally Posted by trlhiker View Post
I read some of those reviews and I found it hard to believe that people would give a car one star because it has a bad sound system or it is uncomfortable because the person is fat. I even find some of the bad reviews suspect like the one guy who has a brand new 2009 that is already out of warrenty and claims that the tranny is bad but nevers goes into why or what happened or how another one claims that the chevy is better, did he ever really drive one?
Yep, using Yahoo or MSN to rate vehicles is like watching FOX to get the news.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-18-2009, 08:09 PM
 
Location: Phoenix metro
20,005 posts, read 67,434,486 times
Reputation: 10013
Quote:
Originally Posted by deepcynic View Post
Yep, using Yahoo or MSN to rate vehicles is like watching FOX to get the news.
Or like looking to Obama for answers.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-19-2009, 11:25 AM
 
Location: SF Bay Area
5,996 posts, read 13,099,707 times
Reputation: 4004
Quote:
Originally Posted by Steve-o View Post
Or like looking to Obama for answers.
So you're saying its good to use Yahoo or MSN for auto ratings?
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-19-2009, 11:55 AM
 
Location: Chicago
38,691 posts, read 85,990,688 times
Reputation: 29326
Guys, the Politics and Other Controversies forum is that-a-way ===>
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-25-2009, 03:57 AM
 
Location: Eastern Missouri
3,054 posts, read 4,961,002 times
Reputation: 1377
Buying a vehicle that the profits go to another country is extremely stupid. But the idiots buying those vehicles don't understand why their families are jobless. So they think the kenyan in the whitehouse is going to save them by borrowing trillions.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Automotive > Brand-specific forums > Ford and Lincoln
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

2005-2017, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top