Why do you hate it here? (Lake Worth, Chula Vista: to move, beaches, housing)

[Tungsten_Udder]

Originally Posted by BornInFL

I guess you take stuff like flipping ppl off, and running red light BLATANTLY without a care in the world and disregarding responsibility as a driver as "no biggie".

I made no statement about anything being a "biggie" or not. I made a statement about road rage. Flipping someone off is the one thing in that video that could have marginally been road rage, although we really have no idea why that guy was shooting a bird. As I commented, the footage was shot professionally. Assuming he was just a random guy, we don't know if he wasn't doing that because he saw that he was being filmed.

The rest of that stuff wouldn't count as road rage. If you want to ask if any of it counts, in my opinion, as reckless driving, that's another matter. Those are two different issues.

Did you hear the guy say that people have gotten shot over parking spots?

Yes. Who was that guy and why did he say that? Do we have any idea? Was he an actor? It was a professionally shot and edited video, after all, and getting news sources to run the story is publicity for the company that shot it, AutoVantage. It certainly wasn't an academic study.

However, if it's true that someone was shot over a parking space, and it certainly could be true--"Florida has had no road rage incidents" is false, after all, then there must be confirmable evidence of that. Maybe we should look for that instead.

[BornInFL]

LOL, I give up man. Miami is a great place to raise a family and all that, stats are wrong, and personal experiences are also wrong.

[Tungsten_Udder]

Originally Posted by BornInFL

LOL, I give up man. Miami is a great place to raise a family and all that, stats are wrong, and personal experiences are also wrong.

You should try getting a color TV for Christmas.

[fauve]

Oh yeah and Tungsten, the beaches are ugly and have wall-to-wall people. Don't ever try to go to the beach. The water's really too cold to go into and the surf sucks. One more thing is there's trash all over and oh, you can never park.

Obviously, I'm being facetious, but these are all things people could say if they were just being negative and not relying on the reality of day-to-day living. I'm sure if I just left that first paragraph up here without this qualifier, you would hear a lot of people chiming in to disagree because it's just not true. The beaches here are great. The traffic and road rage though truly are issues and undeniable to anyone who lives here. Your group think theory is just false and idle hypothesis on your part. Are you working?

[Tungsten_Udder]

Originally Posted by fauve

The traffic and road rage though truly are issues and undeniable to anyone who lives here.

How long did I live in Florida? How often am I there now? Would you like to forward a claim about how the behavior of others is significantly different depending on just how much time one spends in the state?

Also, how many people do I know in Florida who live there year round? Even assuming you had a claim that I'd buy about the behavior of others being significantly different depending on just how much time one spends in the state (although I can't imagine what that claim would be), do you have any idea what the opinions on these issues are from the folks mentioned in the last question?

Your hypothesis that everyone who lives in the state year round (or even just the same area--we can limit it to South Florida) has the same view on this issue is false, and extremely easy to demonstrate as such--heck, even in this poll, less than 30% of the respondents so far are checking "traffic". Why would that be if the opinions are uniform of everyone either living in the state year round or spending enough time in the state to have an opinion about these things (again in lieu of a claim supporting why their opinions are irrelevant because they do not live there year round)?

Also, let's assume that everyone who lived in Florida (or some part of it) year round did have the same opinon. Do you really think that argumentum ad populums are non-fallacious? That's basically been your argument here. [And note that the claims in question are not merely about what persons think (in which case I'd agree that universality would be relevant because it's exactly what we're talking about) but about what objective states of affairs are like, in which case argumentum ad populums are fallacious.]

Your group think theory is just false and idle hypothesis on your part.

That's quite an argument. It's so sketchy that I can't even tell if it's a straw man or not, although I'd guess that it is.

As I mentioned earlier, I do not believe that others psychologies are simple things. It's often difficult to say why someone is saying just what they're saying, where one does not agree that what they're saying is the case. That's even more difficult, in my opinion, when we do not know the person in question, and where we can not spend some time with them "in person". But we hardly have to know why someone would say whatever it is that we believe is false for either (1) us to believe that it is false, or (2) it to be false. It's not as if what is the case in the world in some way hinges on being able to give reasons for others behavior (except of course for what is the case in the world that is the same behavior).

Are you working?

Do I work? Yes. What does that have to do with the discussion?

[Tungsten_Udder]

Originally Posted by fauve

Oh yeah and Tungsten, the beaches are ugly and have wall-to-wall people. Don't ever try to go to the beach. The water's really too cold to go into and the surf sucks. One more thing is there's trash all over and oh, you can never park.

Also, re the above, it's indicative of a bit of confusion, imo.

"The beaches are ugly", "The water's really too cold" and "The surf sucks" all have the same problem. I'll just use "The beaches are ugly" for the example:

Someone can hardly be (objectively) wrong about "The beaches are ugly", just like someone could hardly be (objectively) wrong about "The beaches are beautiful". It's necessarily a subjective assessment. If Joe thinks the beaches are ugly, then to Joe, the beaches are ugly, and that's a fact (that Joe thinks that the beaches are ugly). Now, Joe could be wrong if he thinks that the fact that he (and whoever else) thinks that the beaches are ugly implies that someone else will think that the beaches are ugly. There could be ways that he could predict whether someone else will think that the beaches are ugly, but those ways involve knowing the tastes and opinions of the other person in question and making a prediction based on that.

[Keeper]

I think it is time to agree to disagree.. You aren't going to change anyone's opinion on this issue. Our opinions differ by our own life experiences.

[jhlcomp]

I totally agree Keeper. To add, yes south. Florida has it's pros and cons, but since I became a member I have seen a constant barrage and non- stop complaining about south Florida. Give me a break. It gets to a point that people complain for the sake of complaining.Do people have nothing better or more constructive things to do? The level of pettiness knows no bounds.

[Tungsten_Udder]

Originally Posted by Keeper

I think it is time to agree to disagree.. You aren't going to change anyone's opinion on this issue. Our opinions differ by our own life experiences.

Yes, no argument on any of that.

[BornInFL]

Dancing around issues. Tungsten should be an attorney. Personal experiences are spweing all over this discussion, and again, the dancing around it continues. But hey, glad you like it down there Tungsten. See you in GA in a few yrs when reality sets in and the fun and sun is over, lol.

Look at the graph, rude people and crime are leading the way. But everyone is wrong I guess.

It's all good.