Getting the hell out of dodge (Miami: crime rate, live, beaches)

[Osito]

I just moved here and unfortunately I'm thinking about moving back to where I came from because of the expenses of living in this city. It's really a shame because I love it down here, I really do. I think I was meant to live here for a lot of reasons, but...not if I can't afford to.

[u4icmusic]

I left 4 months ago, and couldn't be happier to get out of the ARMPIT that is south Florida. I'm finally around people that speak English, don't keep roosters in their backyards as pets, and feel safe walking around at night. The only complaint I have is that I didn't do it two (or more) years earlier. I miss my friends, but that's it. I'll probably never even visit there again from what I read on this site, it's getting worse by the day.

[Broward resident]

Originally Posted by u4icmusic

I left 4 months ago, and couldn't be happier to get out of the ARMPIT that is south Florida. I'm finally around people that speak English, don't keep roosters in their backyards as pets, and feel safe walking around at night. The only complaint I have is that I didn't do it two (or more) years earlier. I miss my friends, but that's it. I'll probably never even visit there again from what I read on this site, it's getting worse by the day.

Thanks for the update. Glad you are doing well up there. The Hispanics and other minorities you regularly cited in your posts - and I - miss you dearly.

[BornInFL]

Originally Posted by u4icmusic

I left 4 months ago, and couldn't be happier to get out of the ARMPIT that is south Florida. I'm finally around people that speak English, don't keep roosters in their backyards as pets, and feel safe walking around at night. The only complaint I have is that I didn't do it two (or more) years earlier. I miss my friends, but that's it. I'll probably never even visit there again from what I read on this site, it's getting worse by the day.

I hear ya! Gotta love hearing the English language again! I cant go anywhere in Orlando anymore w/o hearing constant spanish.

Tn is nice, glad you are enjoying it. Just because places like TN exist, some folks try to deny it because there are places better than S FL when it comes to a quality of life.

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by BornInFL

Tn is nice, glad you are enjoying it. Just because places like TN exist, some folks try to deny it because there are places better than S FL when it comes to a quality of life.

Crime in Chattanooga by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Murders 22 17 26 24 19 11 23 17 11
per 100,000 14.7 11.1 16.6 15.1 12.1 7.0 14.7 10.8 7.1
Rapes 106 109 86 112 89 124 116 118 102
per 100,000 71.0 71.4 54.8 70.7 56.8 79.3 74.1 75.3 65.8
Robberies 593 770 765 625 464 486 442 532 524
per 100,000 397.4 504.5 487.4 394.3 296.3 310.6 282.5 339.4 338.0
Assaults 1,979 1,838 1,929 1,638 1,401 1,380 1,173 1,268 1,369
per 100,000 1326.1 1204.2 1229.1 1033.4 894.7 882.0 749.6 809.0 883.0
Burglaries 2,672 3,271 3,270 2,574 2,357 2,604 2,190 2,273 2,381
per 100,000 1790.5 2143.1 2083.6 1623.9 1505.1 1664.4 1399.5 1450.3 1535.7
Thefts 9,244 9,649 11,042 9,462 9,306 10,285 9,365 8,876 9,053
per 100,000 6194.5 6321.8 7035.8 5969.5 5942.7 6573.7 5984.8 5663.2 5839.0
Auto thefts 1,483 2,330 2,202 1,432 1,424 1,450 1,051 1,126 1,026
per 100,000 993.8 1526.6 1403.1 903.4 909.3 926.8 671.7 718.4 661.8
Arson 1,483 102 78 72 62 46 23 10 14
per 100,000 993.8 66.8 49.7 45.4 39.6 29.4 14.7 6.4 9.0
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 320.9) 923.4 996.6 1008.6 836.5 753.4 800.7 714.5 731.1 738.8

Crime in Fort Lauderdale by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Murders 22 13 29 12 18 15 15 21 25
per 100,000 14.1 8.0 18.5 7.5 11.2 9.0 8.9 12.3 13.3
Rapes 60 66 48 39 49 54 67 83 56
per 100,000 38.5 40.5 30.7 24.5 30.4 32.4 39.8 48.8 29.8
Robberies 713 760 837 669 640 755 741 832 736
per 100,000 457.8 466.5 535.4 419.8 397.3 453.4 440.3 488.8 391.5
Assaults 776 923 767 687 645 597 680 747 706
per 100,000 498.3 566.6 490.6 431.1 400.4 358.5 404.1 438.9 375.5
Burglaries 3,014 2,259 2,439 2,482 2,320 2,612 2,555 2,239 2,266
per 100,000 1935.3 1386.7 1560.0 1557.4 1440.2 1568.4 1518.2 1315.5 1205.4
Thefts 7,935 7,363 7,049 6,418 6,281 6,493 7,564 6,678 6,581
per 100,000 5095.0 4520.0 4508.6 4027.2 3899.1 3898.9 4494.5 3923.6 3500.6
Auto thefts 1,789 1,398 1,412 1,374 1,135 1,004 1,097 1,020 865
per 100,000 1148.7 858.2 903.1 862.2 704.6 602.9 651.8 599.3 460.1
Arson 57 59 48 54 38 43 48 49 48
per 100,000 36.6 36.2 30.7 33.9 23.6 25.8 28.5 28.8 25.5
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 320.9) 727.2 648.2 682.2 585.9 559.1 565.6 600.8 595.1 504.2

lol, keep on thinking that.

[BornInFL]

Hey, why dont we actually ask "u4icmusic" which he/she feels safer in?

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by BornInFL

Hey, why dont we actually ask "u4icmusic" which he/she feels safer in?

Good for him, but he isn't safer. That's all I'm saying. Why would someone move to one of the few states that are more dangerous than Florida to "get away from the crime"?

[BornInFL]

Only due to Memphis. I dont know about ALL of TN, but eastern TN is just like western NC, very safe. Tons of Floridians, nice ppl, etc... No crime like S FL going on there. Nashville, that I know of, doesnt have crime like other big FL cities. Memphis and, as you pointed out, Chatanooga are higher than SOME FL cities, but you cant compare them as states. In no way does TN have the amount of cities with crime issues like FL does.

[compelled to reply]

Originally Posted by BornInFL

Only due to Memphis. \ In no way does TN have the amount of cities with crime issues like FL does.

lol...

Crime in Nashville-Davidson (using Nashville) by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Murders 68 72 64 61 74 58 95 80 73
per 100,000 13.0 13.5 11.5 10.9 13.3 10.4 17.1 14.3 12.9
Rapes 460 395 427 403 335 391 336 320 290
per 100,000 88.0 74.0 76.9 71.9 60.4 70.4 60.3 57.1 51.4
Robberies 1,960 2,201 2,521 2,081 2,197 2,125 2,440 2,425 2,516
per 100,000 374.8 412.6 454.2 371.2 395.9 382.8 438.0 432.4 446.0
Assaults 5,917 6,233 6,063 6,138 5,725 6,032 6,103 5,740 5,634
per 100,000 1131.5 1168.4 1092.3 1094.9 1031.7 1086.6 1095.6 1023.5 998.6
Burglaries 6,962 7,634 7,842 7,468 7,369 6,829 6,448 6,370 6,111
per 100,000 1331.3 1431.0 1412.8 1332.2 1328.0 1230.2 1157.6 1135.9 1083.2
Thefts 26,100 26,732 27,837 25,082 26,630 25,134 25,900 23,234 22,729
per 100,000 4991.1 5010.8 5015.1 4474.2 4799.2 4527.6 4649.6 4142.9 4028.8
Auto thefts 4,989 5,323 5,401 4,785 4,649 4,123 3,448 3,021 2,626
per 100,000 954.0 997.8 973.0 853.6 837.8 742.7 619.0 538.7 465.5
Arson 4,989 195 228 162 127 115 135 125 110
per 100,000 954.0 36.6 41.1 28.9 22.9 20.7 24.2 22.3 19.5
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 320.9) 804.3 824.1 816.7 750.1 752.1 736.0 749.4 696.9 674.7

Crime in Knoxville by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Murders 20 23 15 21 18 20 25 18 27
per 100,000 12.0 12.7 8.5 11.9 10.3 11.4 13.9 9.9 14.7
Rapes 66 79 139 74 81 80 99 89 109
per 100,000 39.5 43.5 79.2 41.8 46.3 45.7 55.0 48.8 59.5
Robberies 567 577 637 553 443 520 545 538 681
per 100,000 339.2 318.0 363.1 312.1 253.2 297.1 302.8 294.9 371.5
Assaults 739 1,170 1,314 1,308 1,150 1,023 1,059 1,249 1,241
per 100,000 442.1 644.9 749.0 738.2 657.2 584.5 588.4 684.7 677.0
Burglaries 1,381 1,571 1,717 2,135 2,432 2,506 2,471 2,281 2,504
per 100,000 826.2 865.9 978.7 1204.9 1389.8 1431.7 1372.9 1250.4 1365.9
Thefts 5,336 5,919 5,951 6,680 7,231 7,497 7,370 7,684 8,971
per 100,000 3192.3 3262.6 3392.0 3769.9 4132.2 4283.2 4094.7 4212.2 4893.7
Auto thefts 1,360 1,397 1,296 1,212 1,418 1,380 1,221 1,098 1,372
per 100,000 813.6 770.0 738.7 684.0 810.3 788.4 678.4 601.9 748.4
Arson 102 120 141 138 137 170 137 114 99
per 100,000 61.0 66.1 80.4 77.9 78.3 97.1 76.1 62.5 54.0
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 320.9) 496.3 537.3 602.5 588.2 592.4 600.1 594.5 588.3 675.1

Crime in Kingsport by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006
Murders 0 0 2 2 2 2 3 3
per 100,000 0.0 0.0 4.4 4.4 4.5 4.5 6.7 6.7
Rapes 21 23 26 29 40 39 32 29
per 100,000 50.6 51.8 57.4 63.4 89.5 87.3 71.9 64.9
Robberies 36 35 36 43 63 66 71 79
per 100,000 86.7 78.9 79.5 94.0 140.9 147.7 159.4 176.8
Assaults 279 267 320 295 282 310 297 276
per 100,000 671.6 601.7 706.3 644.7 630.8 693.8 666.9 617.6
Burglaries 261 321 409 477 477 661 521 440
per 100,000 628.3 723.4 902.8 1042.5 1067.1 1479.4 1169.9 984.5
Thefts 1,858 1,720 2,065 2,267 2,377 2,654 2,553 2,062
per 100,000 4472.8 3876.1 4558.0 4954.4 5317.4 5940.2 5732.8 4613.9
Auto thefts 125 103 134 135 161 209 179 165
per 100,000 300.9 232.1 295.8 295.0 360.2 467.8 401.9 369.2
Arson 18 11 14 15 20 11 19 9
per 100,000 43.3 24.8 30.9 32.8 44.7 24.6 42.7 20.1
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 320.9) 447.7 409.7 489.0 511.3 565.2 640.5 595.5 524.9

Crime in Miami by Year
Type 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Murders 66 66 65 74 69 54 77 79
per 100,000 16.9 17.7 17.1 19.4 17.9 13.9 19.6 19.3
Rapes 118 118 96 107 102 62 101 57
per 100,000 30.2 31.7 25.3 28.0 26.5 16.0 25.7 13.9
Robberies 3,077 2,719 2,706 2,928 2,367 2,019 2,111 2,537
per 100,000 787.9 731.2 713.9 767.2 614.5 520.0 537.2 618.4
Assaults 4,616 4,307 4,361 4,048 3,923 3,999 3,642 3,447
per 100,000 1182.0 1158.2 1150.5 1060.7 1018.5 1029.9 926.9 840.2
Burglaries 7,303 6,218 5,962 5,878 5,556 5,377 4,442 4,829
per 100,000 1870.0 1672.1 1572.9 1540.2 1442.4 1384.8 1130.5 1177.1
Thefts 18,854 16,635 15,886 15,404 14,652 13,930 11,967 12,478
per 100,000 4827.7 4473.4 4191.1 4036.1 3803.9 3587.5 3045.5 3041.5
Auto thefts 5,722 5,228 4,876 5,088 4,297 4,014 3,879 3,876
per 100,000 1465.2 1405.9 1286.4 1333.2 1115.6 1033.8 987.2 944.8
Arson 244 259 228 239 195 143 110 175
per 100,000 62.5 69.6 60.2 62.6 50.6 36.8 28.0 42.7
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 320.9) 971.9 920.3 879.5 879.4 787.4 725.7 686.2 682.8

Crime in Memphis by Year
Type 1999 2000 2001 2002 2003 2004 2005 2006 2007
Murders 118 146 158 151 126 105 137 147 129
per 100,000 19.3 23.2 24.1 22.8 19.3 16.1 20.2 21.6 19.3
Rapes 688 574 480 517 438 444 400 425 451
per 100,000 112.8 91.3 73.2 78.0 67.0 68.0 58.9 62.4 67.4
Robberies 3,715 4,086 4,338 4,240 4,297 3,771 4,464 5,311 4,869
per 100,000 609.2 649.8 661.4 640.1 657.2 577.9 657.4 780.1 727.5
Assaults 4,081 4,804 5,886 5,538 5,436 5,813 7,628 7,661 7,603
per 100,000 669.2 763.9 897.4 836.0 831.4 890.8 1123.4 1125.2 1136.0
Burglaries 13,005 14,936 15,874 16,340 16,900 14,621 15,844 16,450 14,607
per 100,000 2132.5 2375.1 2420.2 2466.6 2584.7 2240.7 2333.5 2416.2 2182.5
Thefts 21,756 26,320 29,207 29,841 30,049 32,205 32,632 33,736 33,128
per 100,000 3567.4 4185.4 4453.0 4504.7 4595.6 4935.4 4806.0 4955.1 4949.9
Auto thefts 7,670 8,695 9,536 9,219 8,526 7,339 8,304 6,719 6,199
per 100,000 1257.7 1382.7 1453.9 1391.7 1304.0 1124.7 1223.0 986.9 926.2
Arson 7,670 504 262 275 287 233 225 246 147
per 100,000 1257.7 80.1 39.9 41.5 43.9 35.7 33.1 36.1 22.0
City-data.com crime index (higher means more crime, U.S. average = 320.9) 838.1 911.5 948.5 931.4 924.6 882.4 962.8 998.5 962.8

And of course, many, many more.

Let's do an analogy: Memphis is to Tennessee as Orlando is to Florida. If you are that paranoid about crime, you can do much better than both states...

[BornInFL]

To compare Knoxville crime to Miami's is ridiculous.