If South Florida becomes a state, what should the official language be?

[TNRyan23]

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

I said that the mountains in SOuth Carolina has a lot of racists. I never said that about Texas, Louisiana, or Tennessee. You guys need to re-read my post before getting so trigger-happy. What I said about Texas, Tennesse, and Louisiana was in reference to recent comments by certain political figures that said that the Southern states should secede from the union.

Tennessee hasn't been considered to secede and you didn't say they were. YOU need to re-read what you posted.

You listed South Carolina, Texas, Mississippi, and Louisiana and then proceeded to say..

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

Those states have nothing to offer the rest of the U.S. in the way of culture, and they are way behind in education. Let them become their own country since that's what they've wanted for 2 centuries now and they can reinstate slavery. You can throw in Tennessee with that bunch because they are the most backwards state in the union.

You have no right to say what you said about Tennessee. You've most likley never even been to Tennessee or Mississippi, Texas, or even Louisiana. YES, that makes you an idiot.

[TNRyan23]

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

Rae, where are you from? Obviously not South Florida so why come on here along with TNRyan to bash?

What did I bash ? If I did bash something, Was I provoked ? Was I wrong ?

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

Everything I said is in reaction to the OP and people like you who feel the need to come onto another city's boards and pile onto the negative bandwagon of sentiment against Hispanics in South Florida just to talk trash. That's ok apparently but if I say that South Carolina has lots of racists, then I'm ignorant or I've never been to that area, which is also untrue. I've been to every part of South Carolina numerous times. I'm not saying everyone there is racist, but you guys have a much higher percentage than other areas. Yes I've been to Greenville. I've vacationed in these areas numerous times, in the mountains and on the SC coast.

I never bashed hispanics and I didn't bash South Florida. As far as racists go, Florida is one of the largest states in reguards to hate groups so how are you saying South Carolina has more racist then Florida ?

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

My question is, have you ever been to South Florida? Also, TNRyan did say that people in Tennessee have insurance and can afford their mortgages while FL is a welfare state. So I'm not imagining this as you suggest.

I lived in South Florida. Yes. People here can afford their bills and yes, Florida is a big welfare state. What's your point ?

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

FL has a much bigger population than Tennessee or SC, and we have more of a transient population. We also have a high rate of immigrants entering the country due to our geographical proximity to Latin America and the Carribean islands. Our housing market boomed during the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's, and the population exploded since so many people wanted to move here. Now that the bubble has burst, areas like FL and California that grew the most during the boom are now experiencing he highest forclosure rates. So now South FL is experiencing the ripple effects in our economy. Areas like SC and Tenn. aren't having as many problems because they never experienced this type of growth in the first place.

You're right, Florida is a big state. Bigger than 47 other states in the country. You spew facts about Florida and California. What about Texas ? Texas has more illegals crossing the border then Florida does. Texas also has a booming economy and a not so bad forclosure rate as Florida does but they have roughly the same population.

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

Does that explain things? What are you trying to prove to me by telling me these facts that I already know? Regardless of those stats, FL is NOT a welfare state as TNRyan suggests. There are lots of people here who CAN afford their homes and who do have insurance.

Florida currently roughly has 874,000 unemployed workers and it's been said that unemployment benefits are being paid to over 250,000 of them.

wmbb.com - Florida Welfare Recipients Increase

Food stamps, Medicaid and other welfare assistance has exploded over the past 20 months in Florida.

That’s the word from the state’s top social service official who Tuesday announced a new Web site designed to help handle the growing demand for food stamps, as well as Medicaid services and temporary cash assistance.

Department of Children & Families Secretary George Sheldon says 1.7 million Floridians are getting food stamps, up 45 percent since April 2007. That’s the biggest increase in the nation and represents the total amount of food stamp recipients in Massachusetts.

[Rae the Chef]

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

Rae, where are you from? Obviously not South Florida so why come on here along with TNRyan to bash? Everything I said is in reaction to the OP and people like you who feel the need to come onto another city's boards and pile onto the negative bandwagon of sentiment against Hispanics in South Florida just to talk trash. That's ok apparently but if I say that South Carolina has lots of racists, then I'm ignorant or I've never been to that area, which is also untrue. I've been to every part of South Carolina numerous times. I'm not saying everyone there is racist, but you guys have a much higher percentage than other areas. Yes I've been to Greenville. I've vacationed in these areas numerous times, in the mountains and on the SC coast. My question is, have you ever been to South Florida? Also, TNRyan did say that people in Tennessee have insurance and can afford their mortgages while FL is a welfare state. So I'm not imagining this as you suggest.

Also, you laid out facts about FL's forclosure rates. I'm not going to deny this. We are one of the worst in this category. So what is your point? Are you trying to say that South Carolina is better than FL because you guys don't have as many forclosures? FL has a much bigger population than Tennessee or SC, and we have more of a transient population. We also have a high rate of immigrants entering the country due to our geographical proximity to Latin America and the Carribean islands. Our housing market boomed during the 80's, 90's, and early 2000's, and the population exploded since so many people wanted to move here. Now that the bubble has burst, areas like FL and California that grew the most during the boom are now experiencing he highest forclosure rates. So now South FL is experiencing the ripple effects in our economy. Areas like SC and Tenn. aren't having as many problems because they never experienced this type of growth in the first place. Does that explain things? What are you trying to prove to me by telling me these facts that I already know? Regardless of those stats, FL is NOT a welfare state as TNRyan suggests. There are lots of people here who CAN afford their homes and who do have insurance.

I think you are taking this a lot harder or serious than I am. I am from South FL, although I dont live there anymore.

First, I dont think I said anything about hispanics, in fact, I dont think I said anything negative about S FL at all. I mentioned the food stamp issue, and the foreclosure issue, that is all. I didnt bash hispanics nor did I ever say people cant afford their homes in S FL. But the foreclosure rates in FL are for real, I dont need to say it. It's on the news daily, and usually CA and FL (and AZ) are at the forefront most of the time.

Secondly, the reason why I called you out on SC is because you (at first) said they were all racists, which is simply untrue. You said they were stuck in the 19th century, wore cowboy boots wranglers, like they are all hicks or something. I am not sure if I could prove this or not, but I bet the folks there in Greenville (per capita) have more education than S FL does (per capita). Making fun of Greenville for being hicks or rednecks just doesnt make much sense. I dont think everyone in Miami is rude and cant drive worth a lick, or cant speak English.

Lastly, you are correct, TN and SC never experienced the boom that FL did. But who do you think is happy about that? TN and SC are enjoying a slower, steady growth while FL is now losing population, which I dont think is a bad thing by the way. Buy a house in S FL and then buy a house in upstate SC or Eastern TN... take a good look... meet your neighbors. Who would you rather be around? My point is, TN and SC may not get the quantity of people that FL does, but they get a better quality. Too many transients and criminals hiding in FL. So that housing boom that FL got, I wish never happened. That's when FL attracted a lot of people that moved here to make a buck, get rich quick, whatever. Now some of them are going home to the Northeast or wherever they came from with their tales between their legs. Or they cant sell so they are still here, or they are foreclosing. I think TN and SC are glad they didnt get the boom that FL did. Could you imagine TN with all the malconents we got?

[Nolefan34]

TNRyan>

1. You bashed South FL and the rest of the state by calling it a welfare state.

2. Yes you did. Maybe FL does have more racists than SC, but there is no census for that unfortunately. But again, you are using the entire state of FL's racists to bash South FL. IF you know anything about FL then you'd know that Northern FL and Central FL have far more racists than South FL. Do I have to keep reminding you that South FL is what this thread is about?

3. So there are no forclosures in Tenn. and everyone there can afford insurance? And everyone in FL is on welfare? Do you really believe that? If you say FL has a higher rate of forclosures and more people on welfare per capita than Tennessee then your comments would make some sense. To say FL is a welfare state is a moronic comment. You make it sound like we are New Orleans or something. South FL has more wealth than the entire state of Tennessee and is the economic power-center of the state of FL. So we must have done something right.

4. Why didn't TX experience the forclosures that FL did? Because FL's housing market was way stronger than TX's up until the housing bust 2 years ago. TX didn't experience the explosion of population and wealth that South FL experienced from the period of 1980-2007. Everybody wanted to move to South FL during that period and it bidded up housing prices beyond belief. South FL became one of the most expensive housing markets in America outside of NY and California. Also we had a bunch of major hurricanes hit FL in 2004-2005 that drove up property taxes, so people couldn't afford to pay the taxes and home-owners insurance on top of their mortgages. Texas did not have the explosion in their housing market that FL had and did not have high property taxes and insurance costs to contend with. As it stands today, South FL is still considerably more expensive than Houston or Dallas to live in. Make sense?

Also, we had a president named Bush for the past 8 years who was from Texas, and lots of federal money was funnled to that state for infrastructure during his tenure in a disproportionate amount. Texas was given financial assistance to build bridges, roads, and rebuild the hurricane damaged areas. The rest of the country, especially New Orleans, was left to rot during the last 8 years.

5. Yes FL has almost a million people receiving benefits due to unemployment. That has all been in the last 2 years since the fallout of the housing bust. It wasn't like that prior to that point in time. FL's economy was booming for years before that. We just happened to get hit much harder than most states in the wake of the housing market bust and the overall economic downturn in recent years. So you are using a period of 2 years of a bad economy to label South FL as a welfare state where people cannot afford insurance. I'd like to see how Tennessee would fair if they got rocked by 4 category 4-5 hurricanes in 2 years.

Finally, you insinuated in your first post that I've most likely never been to Tennessee, South Carolina, Texas, Louisiana, or Mississippi. Wishful thinking on your part because I've been to all of those states multiple times. I've been to the mountains of South Carolina and Tennessee almost every year of my life. I have family there, and I've vacationed both in the mountains and on the coast. I've been to Charleston numerous times. I've also visited TX 3 times, and Louisiana and Miss. twice.

[Rock Newman]

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

TNRyan>

1. You bashed South FL and the rest of the state by calling it a welfare state.

2. Yes you did. Maybe FL does have more racists than SC, but there is no census for that unfortunately. But again, you are using the entire state of FL's racists to bash South FL. IF you know anything about FL then you'd know that Northern FL and Central FL have far more racists than South FL. Do I have to keep reminding you that South FL is what this thread is about?

3. So there are no forclosures in Tenn. and everyone there can afford insurance? And everyone in FL is on welfare? Do you really believe that? If you say FL has a higher rate of forclosures and more people on welfare per capita than Tennessee then your comments would make some sense. To say FL is a welfare state is a moronic comment. You make it sound like we are New Orleans or something. South FL has more wealth than the entire state of Tennessee and is the economic power-center of the state of FL. So we must have done something right.

4. Why didn't TX experience the forclosures that FL did? Because FL's housing market was way stronger than TX's up until the housing bust 2 years ago. TX didn't experience the explosion of population and wealth that South FL experienced from the period of 1980-2007. Everybody wanted to move to South FL during that period and it bidded up housing prices beyond belief. South FL became one of the most expensive housing markets in America outside of NY and California. Also we had a bunch of major hurricanes hit FL in 2004-2005 that drove up property taxes, so people couldn't afford to pay the taxes and home-owners insurance on top of their mortgages. Texas did not have the explosion in their housing market that FL had and did not have high property taxes and insurance costs to contend with. As it stands today, South FL is still considerably more expensive than Houston or Dallas to live in. Make sense?

Also, we had a president named Bush for the past 8 years who was from Texas, and lots of federal money was funnled to that state for infrastructure during his tenure in a disproportionate amount. Texas was given financial assistance to build bridges, roads, and rebuild the hurricane damaged areas. The rest of the country, especially New Orleans, was left to rot during the last 8 years.

5. Yes FL has almost a million people receiving benefits due to unemployment. That has all been in the last 2 years since the fallout of the housing bust. It wasn't like that prior to that point in time. FL's economy was booming for years before that. We just happened to get hit much harder than most states in the wake of the housing market bust and the overall economic downturn in recent years. So you are using a period of 2 years of a bad economy to label South FL as a welfare state where people cannot afford insurance. I'd like to see how Tennessee would fair if they got rocked by 4 category 4-5 hurricanes in 2 years.

Finally, you insinuated in your first post that I've most likely never been to Tennessee, South Carolina, Texas, Louisiana, or Mississippi. Wishful thinking on your part because I've been to all of those states multiple times. I've been to the mountains of South Carolina and Tennessee almost every year of my life. I have family there, and I've vacationed both in the mountains and on the coast. I've been to Charleston numerous times. I've also visited TX 3 times, and Louisiana and Miss. twice.

Nolefan .. we both share something in common we like South Florida or most of it anyhow ... no point in continuing these posts with TNRyan , not good for your mental health and not worth it ... lets hope he is happy and content in TN ... some posters on here just get their jollies by bashing South Florida ... it is a fact on this forum and will never change .. many posts are from people who do not even live here with way too much time on their hands ... it is not worth it so relax

[Rae the Chef]

"South FL has more wealth than the entire state of Tennessee."


^^^That a very strong statement. Can you tell me how you came to that conclusion (that is incorrect anyway, in my opinion)?

[Nolefan34]

RAE>

Where did I say that "ALL people in South Carolina are racist"? I never used the word "ALL".

To put this in context, my original post was in response to the Original Poster and to the one who said SC considered seceding, not to you or TNRyan. You are just piling onto TNRyan's outlandish comments in defense of states that considered seceding, because that's where you are from. And you are fanning the flames by trying to say that SC and Tenn are better places to live than South FL.

We cannot help it if more people wanted to move to South FL than to Greenville, SC during the past 2 decades. Like Rock Newman, I still love living in South FL and wouldn't trade it for any other place including SC or TENN. Just because our housing market and economy boomed for 20 years and then busted, and we now have a high forclosure rate, doesn't somehow mean that your city is better than mine because prices remained stable or low. There is a reason why South FL boomed, and its because lots of people wanted to move here. If Greenville was a more attractive place to move, then you guys would have the same problems today that we have. If you like SC better than FL, that is your personal preference. But don't come on here and tell me that your place is better than mine because we have a few more forclosures.

[Nolefan34]

Originally Posted by Rae the Chef

"South FL has more wealth than the entire state of Tennessee."


^^^That a very strong statement. Can you tell me how you came to that conclusion (that is incorrect anyway, in my opinion)?

Geeze, do you sleep on these message boards or something? that was quick.

How is it incorrect? Do you have stats to prove otherwise? Or are you just bluffing? I don't really need stats to prove it. Just look at our housing prices/market. Look at our overall economy during the past decade or so, not just the last 2 years. We have a bunch of billionaires, retirees, doctors, lawyers, musicians, artists, athletes who live here. Far more than Tennessee. Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump, O.J. Simpson, P-Diddy, Dwayne Wade, Bernard Madeoff (well before he got caught), Jim Moran, Jack Nicklaus, Gloria Estefan, A-Rod (part-time), Lil-Wayne, and Venus and Serena Williams, just to name a few. Those just mentioned might have more than Tenn. We have at least 9 major sports franchises while Tennesse only has one (i think?). Each of those franchises has dozens of wealthy athletes. We have lots of wealthy musicians. Care to provide some stats that prove me wrong?

[TNRyan23]

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

Geeze, do you sleep on these message boards or something? that was quick.

How is it incorrect? Do you have stats to prove otherwise? Or are you just bluffing? I don't really need stats to prove it. Just look at our housing prices/market. Look at our overall economy during the past decade or so, not just the last 2 years. We have a bunch of billionaires, retirees, doctors, lawyers, musicians, artists, athletes who live here. Far more than Tennessee. Rush Limbaugh, Donald Trump, O.J. Simpson, P-Diddy, Dwayne Wade, Bernard Madeoff (well before he got caught), Jim Moran, Jack Nicklaus, Gloria Estefan, A-Rod (part-time), Lil-Wayne, and Venus and Serena Williams, just to name a few. Those just mentioned might have more than Tenn. We have at least 9 major sports franchises while Tennesse only has one (i think?). Each of those franchises has dozens of wealthy athletes. We have lots of wealthy musicians. Care to provide some stats that prove me wrong?

You're a moron.

Yes, You have 9 pro sports franchises, You also have 5 or 6 metro areas with more than 1 million people that live in those areas. FYI, Tennessee has 3 pro sports teams, NFL (Titans), NHL (Predators), and NBA (Grizzlies).

The following people own houses or land in Tennessee and/or live here or live here part time..

Morgan Freeman
Chet Atkins
Aretha Franklin
Al Gore
Dolly Parton
Oprah
Cybil Shepherd
Dinah Shore
Tim McGraw
Tina Turner
Annie Potts
B.B. King
David Keith
Deana Carter
Deborah Allen
Dennis Haskins
Dixie Carter
Ed " Too Tall" Jones
Elise Neal
Jason Witten
Johnny Knoxville
Kathy Bates
Kenny Chesney
Lark Voorhies
Lynn Swann
Miley Cyrus
Billy Ray Cyrus
Pat Summitt
Philip Fulmer
Quentin Tarantino
Reese Witherspoon
Rick Flair
Samuel L. Jackson
Steve Spurrier
Todd Helton
Usher
Young Buck
Melinda Doolittle
Kimberly Locke
3-6-Mafia including...
DJ Paul
Juicy J
Crunchy Black
Gangsta Boo
Koopsta Knicca
Lord Infamous

Just to name a few...

[Rae the Chef]

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

RAE>

Where did I say that "ALL people in South Carolina are racist"? I never used the word "ALL".

To put this in context, my original post was in response to the Original Poster and to the one who said SC considered seceding, not to you or TNRyan. You are just piling onto TNRyan's outlandish comments in defense of states that considered seceding, because that's where you are from. And you are fanning the flames by trying to say that SC and Tenn are better places to live than South FL.

We cannot help it if more people wanted to move to South FL than to Greenville, SC during the past 2 decades. Like Rock Newman, I still love living in South FL and wouldn't trade it for any other place including SC or TENN. Just because our housing market and economy boomed for 20 years and then busted, and we now have a high forclosure rate, doesn't somehow mean that your city is better than mine because prices remained stable or low. There is a reason why South FL boomed, and its because lots of people wanted to move here. If Greenville was a more attractive place to move, then you guys would have the same problems today that we have. If you like SC better than FL, that is your personal preference. But don't come on here and tell me that your place is better than mine because we have a few more forclosures.

Man, this is getting really old. You say things and then you backtrack, then you say things that I supposedlt said that I never did say. You keep changing your story about who said what, so I'm done.