Miami/Fort lauderdale is the best tropical major metro city area in the World (living in, to move)

[EnjoyTheSilence]

Wasn't this thread started in the Miami subforum too?

Anyway, Brisbane, Australia has a similar climate to South Florida's climate and honestly, I'd rather live in Brisbane. Not far from Brisbane, you have Australia's Gold Coast (Surfer's Paradise), which is way nicer than anything Miami Beach has to offer.

Here in the US, there's Honolulu, HI -- a city that has a much higher median household income than Miami. I've never been to Honolulu, but 1) it has a truly tropical climate and 2) I've heard that it's a lot nicer than Miami.

Then there's Hong Kong -- a city with probably the best skyline on earth. Sorry, but Miami doesn't come close to Hong Kong.

Add to that, there are cities in the developing world such as Bombay, Bangkok and Rio De Janeiro that would interest me far more than Miami. There's even San Juan, PR and Santo Domingo, DR -- both cities being the oldest "new world" settlements, far more interesting than Miami, where you're hard pushed to find buildings over 30 years old!

[Fairlyz33]

Originally Posted by runswithscissors

Well your argument is a straw man. Your question is opinion based only not fact based. You're splitting hairs on a couple of degrees making some case about being "tropical" as if there's anything else in the US that is tropical anyway .

Throwing in "quality of life" is completely subjective and for many, Miami has a terrible "quality" of life, for me included. You're looking for a "better major city" since you have a subjective view of what is "the best" as does everyone.

You even say major BIG city and by NO standards is FLL a MAJOR BIG CITY. In fact, Miami hardly qualifies since it's only 36 sq miles.

Even Port Saint Lucie up here is 75 sq miles.

Miami is not a BIG city compared to others, but ok, for argument's sake it's a city. Just like where I live Vero Beach is a city ....with 17000 people.

But Miami is not in any way a good quality of life, with over 25% living in poverty, the crime index, the "very high" density rating, and the "very high" cost of living rating.

THEN, you say compared to "South Florida" and also are lumping Miami and FLL together as an entity (city) but insisting for someone to come up with a specific "city" elsewhere. Miami-Dade is a region not a city. Miami and FLL aren't even in the same counties.

FLL is a giant suburb 31 sq miles with some town squares in it with a coupla buses LOL. By no means does it qualify coloquially as a city let alone a big city any more than Wilton Manors and the fact that they are both incorporated as a city.

Not to mention there are no jobs in the whole region so where's that "quality of life"?

You may have more people willing to argue with you if you post to forums of Australia, Brazil, Singapore....

opinion based? well I'll make the criteria more clear -must have a metro city population of 1,000,000 plus, to me thats a "big city" and it MUST have a Tropical climate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - I know having a tropical climate is being very picky but it must meet this to be considered a contendor Tampa FLORIDA AND SAN DIEGO DO NOT MEET THIS(they are both great places however)

so far Fort Lauderdale and Miami contenders are- Calcutta india, Rio de jenero Brazil, San Juan peurto rico, panama city, panama, ?? what are other cites??? so your saying if you sold everything you own and moved to these cities your quality of life would be better???

[Fairlyz33]

Originally Posted by runswithscissors

By the way, using your criteria (that link) Palm Beach qualifies so if you think Miami has a better quality of life than Palm Beach there's no reasoning with that logic.

Palm beach does qualify as being tropical correct

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by Fairlyz33

opinion based? well I'll make the criteria more clear -must have a metro city population of 1,000,000 plus, to me thats a "big city" and it MUST have a Tropical climate - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia - I know having a tropical climate is being very picky but it must meet this to be considered a contendor Tampa FLORIDA AND SAN DIEGO DO NOT MEET THIS(they are both great places however)

so far Fort Lauderdale and Miami contenders are- Calcutta india, Rio de jenero Brazil, San Juan peurto rico, panama city, panama, ?? what are other cites??? so your saying if you sold everything you own and moved to these cities your quality of life would be better???

You just changed your criteria ON TWO FRONTS.

1. Your original post said:

"Come on really where is a better true tropical major big city in the world"


Now you said metro city population of over 1,000,000.

Therefore, Ft Lauderdale is barred because the city of Ft Lauderdale does not meet the criteria since it has a whopping 185,000 or so residents.

West Palm Beach is barred as well with their population of around 100,000.

Here's where the facts become a problem.

You decided that Honolulu was not in the running because you could drive around the island n 3 or 4 hours. LOL as if MIAMI is so VAST that it would take so much longer? ? ? Only because of back to back traffic perhaps.

I hate to tell you but Honolulu is 86 sq miles and Miami is only 36 sq miles.

The REAL reason you should have barred Honolulu is the population of 350,000 or so. I assumed you naturally knew that all of Hawaii has only around 1.25 million or so de facto people even including service members, you can now bar all of Hawaii cities.

I think Honolulu and Oahu will be shocked to know they are not a "major big city" in your eyes LOL. Actually Oahu may qualify with the next census since they came up just short of the million or so people required for your POLL in 2007 stats.

Now you may want to change your question to which major metro city that doesnt ever have volcanic eruptions nearby....

2. Now you're also making it a push poll your original question said nothing about if we HAD to move to said city. NOW you say:

"If you sold everything you owned would your life be better in Miami Dade or Calcutta India (and the others)?"

There was no talk of "moving to said city" in your op. That leaves us with Miami or elsewhere?

Sign me up for Singapore for your ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT WHICH CITY IS A BETTER CITY, that's my vote. Your question is a straw man, designed to elicit only one possible answer "MIAMI", but of course push polls are illegal and never work. One must continually change the criteria and wording to obtain the desired outcome.

[runswithscissors]

Originally Posted by Fairlyz33

Palm beach does qualify as being tropical correct

But now that you conveniently changed the criteria it doesn't qualify by your own criteria

It's too small.

As is FLL and WPB and every other city in FL except the EXTREMELY DENSLEY OVERPOPULATED MIAMI with freaking 12000 people per sq mile in 35 sq miles .

With 25% of the resident living below poverty level, and 75% are foreign born. This data doesnt specify if it's 75 % of all foreign born residents are below poverty level OR 75% of the entire 25% living below are foreign born. I assume it's the latter.

http://www.city-data.com/poverty/pov...i-Florida.html

[Fairlyz33]

Originally Posted by runswithscissors

You just changed your criteria ON TWO FRONTS.

1. Your original post said:

"Come on really where is a better true tropical major big city in the world"


Now you said metro city population of over 1,000,000.

Therefore, Ft Lauderdale is barred because the city of Ft Lauderdale does not meet the criteria since it has a whopping 185,000 or so residents.

West Palm Beach is barred as well with their population of around 100,000.

Here's where the facts become a problem.

You decided that Honolulu was not in the running because you could drive around the island n 3 or 4 hours. LOL as if MIAMI is so VAST that it would take so much longer? ? ? Only because of back to back traffic perhaps.

I hate to tell you but Honolulu is 86 sq miles and Miami is only 36 sq miles.

The REAL reason you should have barred Honolulu is the population of 350,000 or so. I assumed you naturally knew that all of Hawaii has only around 1.25 million or so de facto people even including service members, you can now bar all of Hawaii cities.

I think Honolulu and Oahu will be shocked to know they are not a "major big city" in your eyes LOL. Actually Oahu may qualify with the next census since they came up just short of the million or so people required for your POLL in 2007 stats.

Now you may want to change your question to which major metro city that doesnt ever have volcanic eruptions nearby....

2. Now you're also making it a push poll your original question said nothing about if we HAD to move to said city. NOW you say:

"If you sold everything you owned would your life be better in Miami Dade or Calcutta India (and the others)?"

There was no talk of "moving to said city" in your op. That leaves us with Miami or elsewhere?

Sign me up for Singapore for your ORIGINAL QUESTION ABOUT WHICH CITY IS A BETTER CITY, that's my vote. Your question is a straw man, designed to elicit only one possible answer "MIAMI", but of course push polls are illegal and never work. One must continually change the criteria and wording to obtain the desired outcome.

what i should of said to be more clear is 1 million or more metro city area population. broward has well over 1 million dade has over 2 mllion so both miami and Ft. lauderdale qualify.
Honolulu is about 1 million metro so they qualify in that category. honolulu may have more square miles than miami but its a tiny island compared to florida; and florida you can drive out of it if you want. Hawaii you are super isolated in the middle of the pacific thats why i don't like Hawaii. everyone i know young 20's always moves there then they move back to mainland U.S. Hawaii is a great getaway vacation if you want to stay in the U.S. but a bad place to live long term. thats my opinion.

Singapore- is that a country or a city? I would like to research more on that

[Nolefan34]

I think when you talk about Miami you have to include the greater Miami-Dade area into the discussion, because that's where the bulk of the population lives is outside of the city limits. Because the actual city of Miami (the 36 square miles you are talking about) really only includes the immediate downtown area. It excludes places like Miami Beach, Coral Gables, Hialeah, Coconut Grove, Kendall, Doral, Aventura, North miami beach, etc. I think it depends on the person. For instance, if you are a high-roller living on South Beach going out to night clubs and dumping 5 G's every other night and bringing home modelesque type women, then your quality of life is probably very good. There are a good number of people living in miami who have that lifestyle or try to emmulate it to some degree. But there are way more people living in the miami area who live a very poor quality of life I agree, working their butts off at dead-end jobs and living in substandard crime-ridden neighborhoods. Quality of life for them is in the toilet.

[ninethousandfriends]

I came across this thread when I searched for best tropical cities b/c I am currently looking for a great place to move after I graduate. I am mainly looking in the Caribbean, Latin America, and India. I have lived in San Juan, PR and San Pedro Sula, Honduras and loved both. I am looking for a city with a lot of culture and with a positive, open-minded, and diverse population like I found in both of those places. Spanish-speaking would be easier, but I'm open to learning other languages when I get there, as long as I can survive on English for a while. Any suggestions?

[Tiger Beer]

Mind you, I LIKE Broward/Dade A LOT....but personally, I'm thinking that one of the cities in Brazil on the beach and coastline would be the best.

ALSO...I personally think HONOLULU is the best tropical city...Waikiki and North Beach and every beach on that island is so much better than the Atlantic side of Florida. Plus, the city of Honolulu is quite safe and a very exotic mix of people - Japanese, Hawaiian, Filipino, Portuguese, and mixed with caucasian, etc.

[SAFLTX]

Originally Posted by Nolefan34

I think S. FL and some cities in Australia are the only subtropical metropolitan areas in the entire industrialized world. So there really isn't a whole lot else to compare it to. There may be some cities in the far-east, but I'm not sure you'd call them subtropical climates.

I'm sorry, but I do not agree with you. The words "industrialized world" is too broad to say there aren't any other cities to look for. For me, there are tons of places in Latin America which I think meet this criteria. If you want Subtropical, Mar del Plata, Argentina is a beautiful city with a beautiful ocean. There are others in Spain, Italy, and Greece (and I know that's Europe). If you want tropical, Puerto Rico, for example, is a very, very nice tropical country. Dominican Republic has very nice cities too. Panama city in Panama. Cartagena, Colombia is one of the most beautiful cities I've ever visited; but then again, since it is in Latin America, you don't consider it "industrialized"... wrong. And remember that Puerto Rico is a commonwealth of the United States, if that's important to you.

Look farther, please.