Chinese drywall in your SW FL home............. (Cape Coral: cheap house, buyer)

[vman650]

Yoko
The truth of this will come out because it has to. It is just too important to get placed on the back burner. The truth demands an open and honest evaluation of the facts. There is an even more important question here, and that is where does this all end. I would love to see us start manufacturing again and inspecting what we allow to enter the market place regardless of where it was made. We have imported so much stuff from China and we have to send them something in return. The idea that you can get something for nothing has to go into the trash can. The idea that you can expect government services without paying taxes also needs to fill that same can. No country can continue to be great unless it can be somewhat self sufficient. Made in America must become popular again, or the long term viability of the United States is in peril.

[yachtcare]

Originally Posted by yoko

Vman650,
The question is the immoral nature of making money at any cost. And what is more discouraging is the fact that this immoral mentality of making money chains down from greedy companies to individuals in the society who actually repute existence of any problem with contaminated dry walls to pass down houses with such walls to innocent members of the society who might not even have insurance to fight any health problems, if they are contaminated.
The focus should be on dry walls in Cape Coral.

Well said, We have spent so much time in this country, imparting our "capitalist" mentality to every immigrant, legal or otherwise, that making the almighty dollar is of paramount importance. What we failed to impart to the "newcomers",(newcomers, used in the context of not only individuals, but also the foreign manufacturers, whom are allowed to export their wares to the USA) particularly in the past few decades, is the morality, and responsibility that comes with it....

Vman says that "made in the USA" needs to mean something again. My guess is that the "gene pool"(thought process) has become far to diluted to get there from here. Perhaps we need many more of these types of product crises to get the point across, and get people to take pride in, and responsibility for, what they are producing.

Yes, the local problem caused by the tainted wall board needs to be addressed on a local level. And then taken on up the line, all the way to China. There are powerful political, and economic concerns involved however. And they will, as always, trump the efforts to relieve the harm being done to the individual, and their families.

[vman650]

Originally Posted by yachtcare

Well said, We have spent so much time in this country, imparting our "capitalist" mentality to every immigrant, legal or otherwise, that making the almighty dollar is of paramount importance. What we failed to impart to the "newcomers",(newcomers, used in the context of not only individuals, but also the foreign manufacturers, whom are allowed to export their wares to the USA) particularly in the past few decades, is the morality, and responsibility that comes with it....

Vman says that "made in the USA" needs to mean something again. My guess is that the "gene pool"(thought process) has become far to diluted to get there from here. Perhaps we need many more of these types of product crises to get the point across, and get people to take pride in, and responsibility for, what they are producing.

Yes, the local problem caused by the tainted wall board needs to be addressed on a local level. And then taken on up the line, all the way to China. There are powerful political, and economic concerns involved however. And they will, as always, trump the efforts to relieve the harm being done to the individual, and their families.

So very very well said. As to political considerations trumoing justice, I pray God that is not the case.

[yoko]

Originally Posted by vman650

Yoko
The truth of this will come out because it has to. It is just too important to get placed on the back burner. The truth demands an open and honest evaluation of the facts. There is an even more important question here, and that is where does this all end. I would love to see us start manufacturing again and inspecting what we allow to enter the market place regardless of where it was made. We have imported so much stuff from China and we have to send them something in return. The idea that you can get something for nothing has to go into the trash can. The idea that you can expect government services without paying taxes also needs to fill that same can. No country can continue to be great unless it can be somewhat self sufficient. Made in America must become popular again, or the long term viability of the United States is in peril.

My economist teacher used to quote: "there is no such a thing as free lunch". Thank you for your post!

[hiknapster]

Originally Posted by austingirl39

The senator is Senator Dennis Jones from the Tampa St Pete area, he chairs the committee for the environment, aint that a joke. He is also the House majority leader I believe. I want to out him so badly and I would love to go on national television to let people know what a complete ass he has been,but I doubt anyone would want to risk there careers on outing a Senator. I have tried being patient but now I am just really pissed off and I will not allow my son to suffer. I want the builder R Fry Builders to pay and the drywall company Prowall. The landlord has had enough time and I dont think anymore time is going to change his mind.

I was a newspaper reporter for quite a few years, but not in Fort Myers. I want you to carefully read this. When we moved out of Lee County in 2005 the News Press did a story on why we were leaving, how prices were out of control, etc. The gentleman that did the story was named Dick Hogan. I don't think I can leave his telephone number but it is listed on this page. news-press.com | Southwest Florida | The News-Press He's a nice guy. Call him. He can do the story or put you in touch with who can and will.

[yoko]

Hiknapster,

Thank you for offering your help without being asked. Refreshingly human.
City Forum at it's best: Helping each other.

[HomeStager]

Originally Posted by yoko

Hiknapster,

Thank you for offering your help without being asked. Refreshingly human.
City Forum at it's best: Helping each other.

Indeed.

Austingirl has a story that needs to be told for many reasons.

1) To do what the health department isn't doing and warn people of what can happen to young children exposed to these toxic gasses over time.

2) Show the true colors of an elected representative of the people.

3) Warn others that there are heartless greedy people out there, like State Senators, willing to knowingly lease toxic homes to unsuspecting families.

4) Maybe it will get the attention of a good attorney, that can help you, that isn't afraid of this Dennis Jones jerk.

Not all media is afraid to expose rotten state senators. The Bradenton Herald just outted jerky Mike Bennet, for trying to slip ammendments into a Chinese drywall bill, that would release builders in Florida from any liability for selling toxic homes to people.

[pharmlivin]

while looking at RE in SW Florida. Unoccupied condo built in 2006 never occupied. Immediately upon entering, the unmistakable odor. Noticed the door hardware was black. How can they sell these things...the complex was unfinished and looked like the builder skipped. My throat was sore and we left. It was a beautiful condo though. I would have bought it if it didn't smell. I am surprised at how many people I know who are looking for homes in Florida have not heard about Chinese Drywall.

[HomeStager]

Pharm,

Can you or your agent, notify the listing agent or sellers of that place, to let them know what you discovered and they need to get it confirmed and added to their sales disclosure. Once they disclose, there is a fat chance it will sell though. I am hearing that lenders will not give loans for Chinese drywall houses, nor for any that are being repaired for the problem as their is no offical remediation protocal determined yet. If they don't disclose, and sell it to someone clueless, who has a clueless inspector, they may risk getting sued.

The clueless inspectors are still out there. A friend called me today, saying her listing agent came buy to have her sign the papers to put her home on the market. She said the realtor noticed the smell, and saw all of the corrosion signs, and heard all of their classic health symptoms, and told them, she wouldn't list it and that they needed to call their builder.

It threw her, because she said her pre-listing inspector checked the back of the drywall in the attic and found U.S. made and told them, they didn't have Chinese drywall.

That was all he did to check for Chinese drywall. I drove over later and all of her copper was black, her mirrors and chrome corroding, and it did reek BAD. I got such a terrible headache in the short time I was in there.

I grilled them and they have had lots of electronic failures and their smoke alarm keeps going off, chronic bronchitis, nose bleeds, asthma attacks, sore throats, burning lungs, and headaches, as well as several AC coil failures.

How did this inspector miss all of that?

The media is doing a horrible job of getting all of the signs out there, because after all of that, these people thought they didn't have it, and trusted the inspectors word.

Whoever started that checking method for the back of the drywall in the attic needs to stop telling people thats how you check for it. Most builders used a lighter wieght on the ceilings. The way to check is to look at the copper wiring behind outlet plates and the copper AC coils for blackening, look for corrosion on the mirrors and chrome bathroom fixtures. Ask about new appliance and electronics failures, damage to jewelry, and if any members of the home have been having chronic and new health problems since they have lived in that house and or just when in it.

Make sure they report any health problems to the Consumer Product Safety Department and Health Deparatment, as this info is needed, as this is truly the first case study being done for low level DOMESTIC exposure to these chemical gases.

Health symptoms to these gases can be-

Headaches, sore throat, sore nose, burning lungs, irritated eyes, sinus- eye- ear- or lung infections, tightening of the upper chest, Bhronchitis like coughing, flu like symptoms, insomnia, fatigue, heart arythmias, pulmonary edema ( lungs filling with fluid with irregular heart beat), asthma attacks, allergy attacks, frequent colds, dizzyness, nausea, vommiting, wheezing, nose bleeds, coughing up blood, higher blood pressure, mood swings, depression, thoughts of suicide, mental confusion/fog, short term memory loss, central nervous system problems, sensitivity to light, blurred vision, emphasema, siezures, auto immune disorders, MS like symptoms-tightening of the muscles and spasms, and pet keeling over dead for no reason.

If anyone reading this knows they have the bad drywall and has had any of these health symptoms since living in the home, please report them.

[wellsme]

How long after the construction is completed do these signs (not health sign's) appear?
We purchased a home that was completed in late 2007. It sat vacant until we closed this
March. Inspector said he did not see any sign's of the problem drywall (I'm not sure he was really
up on Chinese drywall inspection).
We stayed there for two weeks in April and saw no evidence of the above (post) symptoms.
I really don't know if the electricity was on from the time of construction completion until a month before we closed.
We did see a couple of homes with damaged fixtures, but that was before we even heard of the drywall problem. We never smelled sulfur in any of the many homes we looked at.
Thanks