05-22-2010, 03:36 PM
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With all the money we fork over to every country that sneeze's I don't understand why we don't have people from every country in the world down here in the gulf trying to figure out how to stop this. If they can figure out how to get the damn oil out of the ocean why can't they have a plan AHEAD of drilling for a diaster like this. Before given permission to drill they should have a solid plan to present how how to stop or prevent this kind of thing in the first place. This isn't the first time.
05-22-2010, 04:29 PM
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we can send men and machines into space.
send crafts to the outer edge of our galaxy
spend billions in the name of establishing "democracy" in nations thousand of miles away, but, we cannot stop oil from leaking from a pipe...
thi$ i$ amazing...
05-23-2010, 07:36 AM
Location: Fort Myers FL/ Ottawa ON
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BP owns the problem due to legal and regulatory structures. Government simply does not have the capacity to rapidly take ownership of and to organize and solve a problem. For example, the delays in giving a permit to build protective berms in front of the marshes.
Smells to me that BP prefers to have the oil in the gulf rather than captured in tankers. I suspect that the cost of disposing of that oil/water mix is very expensive. The key to understand is that BP is fighting for its survival, the company pension and the executive perks and paycheques. The latter have big mortgages and private school fees to pay every month, and if BP fails, they are looking at severe drops in their standards of living.
So decisions are being made with spreadsheets and financial risk management calculations. What is good for BP is unlikely to be good for America at this point.
05-23-2010, 09:22 AM
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BP owns the problem due to legal and regulatory structures. Government simply does not have the capacity to rapidly take ownership of and to organize and solve a problem. For example, the delays in giving a permit to build protective berms in front of the marshes.
Smells to me that BP prefers to have the oil in the gulf rather than captured in tankers. I suspect that the cost of disposing of that oil/water mix is very expensive. The key to understand is that BP is fighting for its survival, the company pension and the executive perks and paycheques. The latter have big mortgages and private school fees to pay every month, and if BP fails, they are looking at severe drops in their standards of living.
So decisions are being made with spreadsheets and financial risk management calculations. What is good for BP is unlikely to be good for America at this point.
finally someone who is articulating the obvious.
Someone may want to tap Admiral Thad Allen on the shoulder and make him aware of this as he's all over the news niavely expressing how "co-operative" BP is and how much (admiration and) trust he has for its CEO.. 30+ days into the "leak"
05-23-2010, 03:40 PM
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I'm aware of who the CinC is, but the oath still goes to the Constitution, not the individual. The Whermacht swore their oath directly to Adolf Hitler
I think Adolph Hitler has been mentioned more times since 2008 than in the past 70 years. Wish everyone was as concerned back in 1939. Speaking on behalf of my Jewish ancestors, some of the 6 million who were systematically exterminated, along with more than 10 million others murdered, including Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled persons, children, anyone who openly expressed opposition to the Third Reich, millions of citizens in Poland, Russia and France, it is insulting every time Obama is compared with Hitler. It's also stupid.
This has nothing to do with the thread topic, but I just thought I'd mention it.
05-23-2010, 04:23 PM
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sheldoncreek
we can send men and machines into space.
send crafts to the outer edge of our galaxy
spend billions in the name of establishing "democracy" in nations thousand of miles away, but, we cannot stop oil from leaking from a pipe...
thi$ i$ amazing...
Getting back to the topic.... What's that expression most of us heard from our mothers when we were children? Think it was "An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure."
BP made a 135% profit in the first quarter of 2010 compared to 2009. I got this information directly from BP's own website. This means BP made huge profits in 3 months. Why didn't a small percentage of this go into better safety equipment or a system that would prevent or minimize this type of devastation? 11 people were killed, which is bad enough. Their bodies have never been found. To me, this is a criminal act, not an "accident." Just like when a drunk with several DUIs travels south in the northbound lane, killing a family of 5, continuous safety violations are not accidents. As this article shows, the BP really stood for [URL="http://www.truthout.org/how-bushs-doj-killed-a-criminal-probe-into-bp-that-threatened-net-top-officials59648"]Beyond Prosecution.[/URL]
Also, although I'm sure others have ranted about this before, I'm getting sick of the euphemisms. When I poured my coffee this morning, some of it "spilled" and a small amount "leaked" from the canister. A spill doesn't disintegrate 11 men. It was never an oil spill. Looking at the video of the BP well, it reminds me of [URL="http://scrapetv.com/News/News%20Pages/Science/Images/mount-st-helens-eruption.jpg"]this,[/URL] only under water. (BTW, that's a pic of Mount Saint Helens erupting.)
05-23-2010, 08:08 PM
Location: North Central Florida
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I think Adolph Hitler has been mentioned more times since 2008 than in the past 70 years. Wish everyone was as concerned back in 1939. Speaking on behalf of my Jewish ancestors, some of the 6 million who were systematically exterminated, along with more than 10 million others murdered, including Catholics, Jehovah's Witnesses, Gypsies, homosexuals, disabled persons, children, anyone who openly expressed opposition to the Third Reich, millions of citizens in Poland, Russia and France, it is insulting every time Obama is compared with Hitler. It's also stupid.
This has nothing to do with the thread topic, but I just thought I'd mention it.
Sorry if you are offended Nancy
Frankly, NO comparison was made, other than the one you obviously imagined in your mind. A statement of fact was made.....anything over and above that was a function of your own thought process.
Compare my rather benign statement, and the
context in which it was made, to this article, for some contrast between statements, and comparisons.
Obama leads America’s goose-stepping march towards a fascist state | Capitol Hill Blue
Obviously some think they should be concerned today, since they werent back in 1939? According to that second sentence of your post, it seems you agree that that's a good thing...right?
It appears that BP is now delaying for another day(until Wednesday)to try to plug the leak with mud and concrete..........
One wonders if BP is doing all they can, and if they arent, why? It seems they have done irrepairable damage to their image already..........have they taken the attitude of why rush to contain the damage, other than to their bottom line, and stockholders portfolios. Much like Exxon, and Captain Hazlewood two decades ago, BP's exploits in the Gulf of Mexico will haunt us long into the future............
Went to the doggie beach this morning, a few brief conversations with folks there seemed to reveal a theme............we're here to enjoy the beach, and take in the view before it turns black and gooey. Then I ran into an old business associate I hadnt seen in years. He will be finishing up some schooling in December, as he has been unemployed for three years. He says he has tried to hang into this area, as he's been here since the '80's. Thru the lean years, the boom, and back to a lingering crash, he has stayed the course in SW Florida..............but oil fouled beaches will be the final straw...........if (or when) it comes to that he'll pack up and move on.
Wonder how many more will be forced, or will simply finally just throw in the towel on this area over this mess? At the moment it still appears that we in SW Fl may be spared for a while at least.
While there has been plenty of speculation of what kind of impact this will have........... This morning, standing on the beach, and discussing it with others, put a "face" on the enormity of this thing.
YC.......
05-23-2010, 08:28 PM
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05-23-2010, 08:50 PM
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Didnt say I was "worried" about it.
It is just another (potential) reason to add to all the other reasons to steer clear of SW Florida.
YC.......
05-24-2010, 07:39 AM
Location: Fort Myers FL/ Ottawa ON
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finally someone who is articulating the obvious.
Someone may want to tap Admiral Thad Allen on the shoulder and make him aware of this as he's all over the news niavely expressing how "co-operative" BP is and how much (admiration and) trust he has for its CEO.. 30+ days into the "leak"
yeah, ...but he is being a good bureaucrat by putting a happy face on everything and being a "good guy to work with"...not a "trouble maker".
after the horse is out of the barn, if he is still in that job, he will express shock and dismay that BP was deceiving him
all the while, he may be a naive "true believer", or he may be a realist, fully aware of the ineffectiveness of government to so much as tie its shoelaces.
if government takes over the problem, failure is certain...if BP is left to work the problem, there is at least some hope that something useful may happen
the invisible hand of capitalism can be clumsy and it screws up a lot...however, the visible hand of bureacracy screws up by design
this is what Rand is getting at
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People in Group quarters - Federal prisons and detention centers (%)
People in Group quarters - Halfway houses (%)
People in Group quarters - Local jails and other confinement facilities (including police lockups) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military disciplinary barracks (%)
People in Group quarters - State prisons (%)
People in Group quarters - Other types of correctional institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Nursing homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards, hospices, and schools for the handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals/wards and hospices for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospices or homes for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Military hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Other hospitals or wards for chronically ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Hospitals or wards for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Mental (Psychiatric) hospitals or wards (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Schools, hospitals, or wards for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the deaf (%)
People in Group quarters - Institutions for the blind (%)
People in Group quarters - Orthopedic wards and institutions for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in general hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Wards in military hospitals for patients who have no usual home elsewhere (%)
People in Group quarters - Juvenile institutions (%)
People in Group quarters - Long-term care (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for abused, dependent, and neglected children (%)
People in Group quarters - Residential treatment centers for emotionally disturbed children (%)
People in Group quarters - Training schools for juvenile delinquents (%)
People in Group quarters - Short-term care, detention or diagnostic centers for delinquent children (%)
People in Group quarters - Type of juvenile institution unknown (%)
People in Group quarters - Noninstitutionalized population (%)
People in Group quarters - College dormitories (includes college quarters off campus) (%)
People in Group quarters - Military quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - On base (%)
People in Group quarters - Barracks, unaccompanied personnel housing (UPH), (Enlisted/Officer), ;and similar group living quarters for military personnel (%)
People in Group quarters - Transient quarters for temporary residents (%)
People in Group quarters - Military ships (%)
People in Group quarters - Group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes or halfway houses for drug/alcohol abuse (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally ill (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the mentally retarded (%)
People in Group quarters - Homes for the physically handicapped (%)
People in Group quarters - Other group homes (%)
People in Group quarters - Religious group quarters (%)
People in Group quarters - Dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Agriculture workers' dormitories on farms (%)
People in Group quarters - Job Corps and vocational training facilities (%)
People in Group quarters - Other workers' dormitories (%)
People in Group quarters - Crews of maritime vessels (%)
People in Group quarters - Other nonhousehold living situations (%)
People in Group quarters - Other noninstitutional group quarters (%)
Residents speaking English at home (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking English at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking Spanish at home - Foreign born (%)
Residents speaking other language at home (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Born in the United States (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Native, born elsewhere (%)
Residents speaking other language at home - Foreign born (%)
Class of Workers - Employee of private company (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed in own incorporated business (%)
Class of Workers - Private not-for-profit wage and salary workers (%)
Class of Workers - Local government workers (%)
Class of Workers - State government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Federal government workers (%)
Class of Workers - Self-employed workers in own not incorporated business and Unpaid family workers (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in houses and condos - No fuel used (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Utility gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Bottled, tank, or LP gas (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Electricity (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Fuel oil, kerosene, etc. (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Coal or coke (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Wood (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Solar energy (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - Other fuel (%)
House heating fuel used in apartments - No fuel used (%)
Armed forces status - In Armed Forces (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Veteran (%)
Armed forces status - Civilian - Nonveteran (%)
Fatal accidents locations in years 2005-2021
Fatal accidents locations in 2005
Fatal accidents locations in 2006
Fatal accidents locations in 2007
Fatal accidents locations in 2008
Fatal accidents locations in 2009
Fatal accidents locations in 2010
Fatal accidents locations in 2011
Fatal accidents locations in 2012
Fatal accidents locations in 2013
Fatal accidents locations in 2014
Fatal accidents locations in 2015
Fatal accidents locations in 2016
Fatal accidents locations in 2017
Fatal accidents locations in 2018
Fatal accidents locations in 2019
Fatal accidents locations in 2020
Fatal accidents locations in 2021
Alcohol use - People drinking some alcohol every month (%)
Alcohol use - People not drinking at all (%)
Alcohol use - Average days/month drinking alcohol
Alcohol use - Average drinks/week
Alcohol use - Average days/year people drink much
Audiometry - Average condition of hearing (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear a whisper from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - People that can hear normal voice from across a quiet room (%)
Audiometry - Ears ringing, roaring, buzzing (%)
Audiometry - Had a job exposure to loud noise (%)
Audiometry - Had off-work exposure to loud noise (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high blood pressure (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Checking blood pressure at home (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Frequently checking blood cholesterol (%)
Blood Pressure & Cholesterol - Has high cholesterol level (%)
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at supermarket/grocery store
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on food at other stores
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on eating out
Consumer Behavior - Money monthly spent on carryout/delivered foods
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at supermarket/grocery store (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on food at other stores (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on eating out (%)
Consumer Behavior - Income spent on carryout/delivered foods (%)
Current Health Status - General health condition (%)
Current Health Status - Blood donors (%)
Current Health Status - Has blood ever tested for HIV virus (%)
Current Health Status - Left-handed people (%)
Dermatology - People using sunscreen (%)
Diabetes - Diabetics (%)
Diabetes - Had a blood test for high blood sugar (%)
Diabetes - People taking insulin (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Diet health (%)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Milk product consumption (# of products/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals not home prepared (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Meals from fast food or pizza place (#/week)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Ready-to-eat foods (#/month)
Diet Behavior & Nutrition - Frozen meals/pizza (#/month)
Drug Use - People that ever used marijuana or hashish (%)
Drug Use - Ever used hard drugs (%)
Drug Use - Ever used any form of cocaine (%)
Drug Use - Ever used heroin (%)
Drug Use - Ever used methamphetamine (%)
Health Insurance - People covered by health insurance (%)
Kidney Conditions-Urology - Avg. # of times urinating at night
Medical Conditions - People with asthma (%)
Medical Conditions - People with anemia (%)
Medical Conditions - People with psoriasis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with overweight (%)
Medical Conditions - Elderly people having difficulties in thinking or remembering (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever received blood transfusion (%)
Medical Conditions - People having trouble seeing even with glass/contacts (%)
Medical Conditions - People with arthritis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with gout (%)
Medical Conditions - People with congestive heart failure (%)
Medical Conditions - People with coronary heart disease (%)
Medical Conditions - People with angina pectoris (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had heart attack (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had stroke (%)
Medical Conditions - People with emphysema (%)
Medical Conditions - People with thyroid problem (%)
Medical Conditions - People with chronic bronchitis (%)
Medical Conditions - People with any liver condition (%)
Medical Conditions - People who ever had cancer or malignancy (%)
Mental Health - People who have little interest in doing things (%)
Mental Health - People feeling down, depressed, or hopeless (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble sleeping or sleeping too much (%)
Mental Health - People feeling tired or having little energy (%)
Mental Health - People with poor appetite or overeating (%)
Mental Health - People feeling bad about themself (%)
Mental Health - People who have trouble concentrating on things (%)
Mental Health - People moving or speaking slowly or too fast (%)
Mental Health - People having thoughts they would be better off dead (%)
Oral Health - Average years since last visit a dentist
Oral Health - People embarrassed because of mouth (%)
Oral Health - People with gum disease (%)
Oral Health - General health of teeth and gums (%)
Oral Health - Average days a week using dental floss/device
Oral Health - Average days a week using mouthwash for dental problem
Oral Health - Average number of teeth
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to control insects (%)
Pesticide Use - Households using pesticides to kill weeds (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity work activities (%)
Physical Activity - People walking or bicycling (%)
Physical Activity - People doing vigorous-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - People doing moderate-intensity recreational activities (%)
Physical Activity - Average hours a day doing sedentary activities
Physical Activity - Average hours a day watching TV or videos
Physical Activity - Average hours a day using computer
Physical Functioning - People having limitations keeping them from working (%)
Physical Functioning - People limited in amount of work they can do (%)
Physical Functioning - People that need special equipment to walk (%)
Physical Functioning - People experiencing confusion/memory problems (%)
Physical Functioning - People requiring special healthcare equipment (%)
Prescription Medications - Average number of prescription medicines taking
Preventive Aspirin Use - Adults 40+ taking low-dose aspirin (%)
Reproductive Health - Vaginal deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Cesarean deliveries (%)
Reproductive Health - Deliveries resulted in a live birth (%)
Reproductive Health - Pregnancies resulted in a delivery (%)
Reproductive Health - Women breastfeeding newborns (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had a hysterectomy (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that had both ovaries removed (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever taken birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women taking birth control pills (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used Depo-Provera or injectables (%)
Reproductive Health - Women that have ever used female hormones (%)
Sexual Behavior - People 18+ that ever had sex (vaginal, anal, or oral) (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had anal sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Males 18+ that ever had any sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had vaginal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever performed oral sex on a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had anal sex with a man (%)
Sexual Behavior - Females 18+ that ever had any kind of sex with a woman (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first had sex
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female vaginal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a woman (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of woman performed oral sex on in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male anal sex partners in lifetime (males 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average age people first performed oral sex on a man (18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male oral sex partners in lifetime (18+)
Sexual Behavior - People using protection when performing oral sex (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of times people have vaginal or anal sex a year
Sexual Behavior - People having sex without condom (%)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of male vaginal sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Average number of female sex partners in lifetime (females 18+)
Sexual Behavior - Circumcised males 18+ (%)
Sleep Disorders - Average hours sleeping at night
Sleep Disorders - People that has trouble sleeping (%)
Smoking-Cigarette Use - People smoking cigarettes (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with smell (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ having problems with taste (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had wisdom teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had tonsils teeth removed (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a loss of consciousness because of a head injury (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had a broken nose or other serious injury to face or skull (%)
Taste & Smell - People 40+ that ever had two or more sinus infections (%)
Weight - Average height (inches)
Weight - Average weight (pounds)
Weight - Average BMI
Weight - People that are obese (%)
Weight - People that ever were obese (%)
Weight - People trying to lose weight (%)