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It was a comment and a question, I hardly see how that puts me into a nutjob category... And yes, it was out of context of frugality, but if you gave me a quarter for every city-data conversation that delineated from a topic I'd probably afford a nice round-trip ticket to Cancun or something. I also pray that we never get to the point where questioning each other's carbon footprint habits becomes normal.. because if that's the case, well, that would have to mean that something really, really terrible precipitated change in powerfully intact cultural customs.
maybe I missed something that was said earlier. I have no problem with conversations going off on tangents. I have a problem with someone talking about his vacations and someone saying "that's an awful lot of environmental damage from all your vacations."
maybe I missed something that was said earlier. I have no problem with conversations going off on tangents. I have a problem with someone talking about his vacations and someone saying "that's an awful lot of environmental damage from all your vacations."
Nope. Nothing else to miss. That and that alone was the tangent. Should we get back to the topic yet, or perhaps a couple go arounds over proper and improper conversational divergence??? Personally, I'm satiated.
Nope. Nothing else to miss. That and that alone was the tangent. Should we get back to the topic yet, or perhaps a couple go arounds over proper and improper conversational divergence??? Personally, I'm satiated.
I already said that I don't mind "conversational divergence." nobody should limit their vacations out of concern for their carbon footprint. if you can afford to fly and you want to, then you should fly. people should shout down anyone that tries to say otherwise. a pox on you!
in order to remain on topic, I will say that I fly a plane to 2 week long destinations in a typical year. I try to make sure I go on the least jet fuel efficient airplane that I can find. it isn't unusual for another 1 or 2 trips to be added in depending on what happens.
Ahem, being frugal is not being a cheapskate. Very different.
As far as our frugal vacations, they can be as easy and simple as a long walk on a local beach and a meal overlooking the sea...it's a day's vacation from our home and responsibilities and we return refreshed--with no cancelled flights and other long-distance travel issues. It's a "stay-cation."
This is important to differentiate. Being frugal has minimal impact on value while a cheapskate is careless about value. Staying at a timeshare with a kitchen is a frugal alternative to staying at a five star hotel. However, staying at a howard johnson is being a cheapskate. Using a coupon to buy a high quality loaf of bread from the local bakery is frugal. Buying a 99 cent mass-produced loaf of bread at Aldi's is being a cheapskate.
This is important to differentiate. Being frugal has minimal impact on value while a cheapskate is careless about value. Staying at a timeshare with a kitchen is a frugal alternative to staying at a five star hotel. However, staying at a howard johnson is being a cheapskate. Using a coupon to buy a high quality loaf of bread from the local bakery is frugal. Buying a 99 cent mass-produced loaf of bread at Aldi's is being a cheapskate.
Just so. To me, being frugal is getting good and fair value from money spent. It's
spending money wisely. A cheapskate is mean-spirited and squeezes a dime until it bleeds.
However, staying at a howard johnson is being a cheapskate.
Really?
I've never been to a Howard Johnson in the States. But the Howard Johnson I stayed at Taipei was pretty good with first class free (well, it's paid for as part of the package) breakfast buffet which was deemed excellent by everyone I knew that been there. If I were to go to Taipei again, I would definitely be a cheapskate.
But they make KFC and Pizza Hut more upscale in Asia so I wouldn't be surprise if it's the same with Howard Johnson.
I've never been to a Howard Johnson in the States. But the Howard Johnson I stayed at Taipei was pretty good with first class free (well, it's paid for as part of the package) breakfast buffet which was deemed excellent by everyone I knew that been there. If I were to go to Taipei again, I would definitely be a cheapskate.
But they make KFC and Pizza Hut more upscale in Asia so I wouldn't be surprise if it's the same with Howard Johnson.
You're mixing up Howard Hotels and Howard Johnson. Howard Hotels are resort-like. They are not the same brand or company.
Using a coupon to buy a high quality loaf of bread from the local bakery is frugal. Buying a 99 cent mass-produced loaf of bread at Aldi's is being a cheapskate.
yeah, because flour is so much better at the local bakery than it is as aldi.
That's funny, I don't take vacations in the usual sense
I get paid vacation time, but it is most often spent at home puttering about with projects that interest me.
My wife is a big vacation taker, I believe because that is what her parents did. Mine did not really, other than traveling to visit relatives now and then. We did move a lot for my dad's work, and I tend to associate travel as wonderful when work related (someone else is paying! ) but not something I want to do on my own. The exception was camping when I was younger, that struck me as a vacation activity that was desirable.
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Really? 
