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Old 02-17-2014, 10:15 PM
 
Location: Los Angeles area
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Good job, OP, sharing your story. Took some major guts to try the "lifestyle." I kind of turned apathetic when you talked about pawning a tablet, though. If you would have "tried" being homeless the right way (in my opinion), you wouldn't have the luxury of electronics in the first place much less having stashes of supplies even a few hours from any given location you'd be in if you were actually homeless. You wouldn't have a mom to fall back on if things got too tough and you most definitely wouldn't be able to scrape together enough cash for even a sketchy motel (or it would at least take begging for change).

Sounds like you caught an 'Into the Wild' type bug and it kinda bit you back. Be grateful that you had people to fall back on because most homeless absolutely do not.
Oh dear! The OP's level of destitution was not severe and absolute enough to suit you. His effort was not "pure" enough. Don't get me wrong - I do not deny that some people exist exactly as you describe it. However, many homeless people have rejected and continue to reject offers of help from their families and/or from city and county outreach programs. They actually prefer homelessness. I have seen this documented in detail in the Los Angeles Times.

Please educate me: How is it that the same homeless person who can't "scrape together enough cash for even a sketchy motel" manages to continue smoking, continue consuming alcohol, and/or continue getting and using drugs?
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Old 02-19-2014, 08:43 AM
 
Location: NJ
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here is how they do it here in NJ. and with this years snowstorms i have no idea how these people can do this but they do.

Tent City of Lakewood, NJ: Tent City
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Old 02-19-2014, 09:08 AM
 
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I haven't read the entire thread, and can't quite understand how and why you ever wanted/needed to TRY to live 'without a dwelling" (homeless). Without knowing that, I certainly don't mean to insult you, or judge -- BUT -- not having more info -- it seems it was a fairly nonsensical idea in the first place.

Was there no shelter, or church group, or charity, or public agency that could help you? No family? No friends -- or friends of friends of friends?
I don't get it.
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Old 02-19-2014, 10:38 AM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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I haven't read the entire thread, and can't quite understand how and why you ever wanted/needed to TRY to live 'without a dwelling" (homeless). Without knowing that, I certainly don't mean to insult you, or judge -- BUT -- not having more info -- it seems it was a fairly nonsensical idea in the first place.

Was there no shelter, or church group, or charity, or public agency that could help you? No family? No friends -- or friends of friends of friends?
I don't get it.
No one EVER gets it, unless they've had to walk the walk. It's not glamorous but it CAN be done.
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Old 02-19-2014, 03:29 PM
 
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As promised I wanted to give everybody an update on my decision last fall to try and live without a dwelling
I took this to mean the OP had a choice in the matter.
I know people fall on very hard times. I get that. But no I don't get that someone would decide to live homeless if he/she didn't have to. Who the heck 'experiments' with being homeless. Not that that is what the OP did. I said from the start I may not "get" what his post or situation was about.

From the several posts I read, others didn't "get" it either.
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Old 02-21-2014, 10:18 AM
 
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here is how they do it here in NJ. and with this years snowstorms i have no idea how these people can do this but they do.

Tent City of Lakewood, NJ: Tent City
Thank you very much for giving us a mention!

People can indeed live very cheaply, through part-time jobs, mutual aid, and charity. For about $300 you can put up a good tent on an elevated platform, with added insulation and added rainproof tarp. A wood-burning stove or a propane heater are under $100. Wood for winter heating costs $150 a cord (they don't let us cut down too many trees here), or propane (which eliminates the smoke issue) is about $5 a night.

Full time work is hard to find and hold for some people, and you need a stable full-time job to afford an apartment in this area (minimum wage about $1275 before taxes, one bedroom apt with bills is about as much). This high cost of living is the result of government regulations setting up barriers to entry for low-cost housing. Minimum wage laws limit employment opportunities. NJ being one of the least business-friendly states, taxes and regulations drive jobs out of this area. So the government is doing more harm than good to the poor. They further escalate artificial scarcity by hoarding land - supposedly "public land" but the poorest members of the public with no other place to go aren't allowed to camp there, so they are trying to bulldoze us...

Private charity could solve the problem of homelessness for good, if only we could get the government to give over remote plots of land to tent city NGO's...

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Old 02-21-2014, 11:41 AM
 
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You missed the most important part of being homeless though, begging. It is extremely lucrative if you have no dependency issues.
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Old 02-21-2014, 01:34 PM
 
Location: All Over
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you bring up an interesting point, starting with no money costs more money which is why the poverty cycle is so terrible. for example an apartment is going to be the cheapest way to live right but you gotta have first last and security. well you dont have that so what do you do you stay at hotels by the week which winds up costing way more than rent. you dont have a place to cook and a bunch of food to buy so you gotta waste your money on fastfood. you dont have clean clothes so your going to laundromats paying several dollars to wash and dry clothes hwen the actual cost of running a laundry machine at a home owuld be cheaper.
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Old 02-21-2014, 03:32 PM
 
Location: northwest Illinois
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Thank you very much for giving us a mention!

People can indeed live very cheaply, through part-time jobs, mutual aid, and charity. For about $300 you can put up a good tent on an elevated platform, with added insulation and added rainproof tarp. A wood-burning stove or a propane heater are under $100. Wood for winter heating costs $150 a cord (they don't let us cut down too many trees here), or propane (which eliminates the smoke issue) is about $5 a night.

Full time work is hard to find and hold for some people, and you need a stable full-time job to afford an apartment in this area (minimum wage about $1275 before taxes, one bedroom apt with bills is about as much). This high cost of living is the result of government regulations setting up barriers to entry for low-cost housing. Minimum wage laws limit employment opportunities. NJ being one of the least business-friendly states, taxes and regulations drive jobs out of this area. So the government is doing more harm than good to the poor. They further escalate artificial scarcity by hoarding land - supposedly "public land" but the poorest members of the public with no other place to go aren't allowed to camp there, so they are trying to bulldoze us...

Private charity could solve the problem of homelessness for good, if only we could get the government to give over remote plots of land to tent city NGO's...

For all the latest news, please LIKE "Tent City of Lakewood, NJ" on Facebook, and INVITE your friends - http://FB.com/TentCityNJ
Back to the top part of your post, a simple and dirt cheap way to simply sleep comfy and dry at night is just construct a homemade hammock and rain fly! If you chose to buy one, walmart has a Equip hammock for $24.97 and add a tarp for a rainfly for about $10 and you'll sleep like a baby! You can put one up in the woods in about 15 min or less, and they weigh a LOT less than a tent.
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Old 03-01-2014, 05:08 AM
 
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Oh dear! The OP's level of destitution was not severe and absolute enough to suit you. His effort was not "pure" enough. Don't get me wrong - I do not deny that some people exist exactly as you describe it. However, many homeless people have rejected and continue to reject offers of help from their families and/or from city and county outreach programs. They actually prefer homelessness. I have seen this documented in detail in the Los Angeles Times.

Please educate me: How is it that the same homeless person who can't "scrape together enough cash for even a sketchy motel" manages to continue smoking, continue consuming alcohol, and/or continue getting and using drugs?
it seems like the OP basically tried to live a normal life, just without a home. Even while homeless his concerns include: finding/keeping a job, looking decent, keeping a schedule and saving money. When I think about being homeless (which is surprisingly often) I think about sleeping on the beach, panhandling and eating out of a dumpster. Those are 2 different things I guess.
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