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Old 04-16-2016, 10:52 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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It's cheap to live in rural America because there is absolutely nothing to do there but ride your three-wheelers and whittle wood! I'm only exaggerating slightly.
Nothing to think about, nothing to do, and nothing to be. Sounds wonderful!
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Old 04-16-2016, 10:53 AM
 
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If I retired overseas, I would miss the following in America:

Movie Theatres
Large Shopping Centers
Golf Courses
Libraries
Bowling Alleys
Nice Parks with trails
A common language that most people speak, that I do too!
Ability to get in my car and drive to all kinds of interesting places
All the great restaurants (Including fast casual American chains they don't have overseas)
Great Healthcare
American Cable TV
Fast and reliable Internet
Adult Education classes

To me, I would have to save thousands of dollars to give up those things!
in Europe, in places like Paris, Rome, London, Madrid you have just about your entire list available to you.

ex pats over come the other issues by learning the local language.
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:03 AM
 
Location: Out in the Badlands
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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The cheapest place to have an American lifestyle is in a smaller town in rural America, especially if it is a place with decent weather so no high heating or cooling bills. Citizens of third world countries live on a lot less money, but they have a different lifestyle. If you want to live their lifestyle, you can live cheap. But you can also live their lifestyle inside the USA and live really cheap.
And if you like to be away from people, that is easy as well. I'd pick the higher elevation parts of the SW. If you build your hovel properly you won't need AC and very little heat (wood stove). Composting toilet. Solar for electricity. Put in a holding tank and have water hauled. Piece of cake. You'll need a functional vehicle for trips to town, but if you don't do that often, the cost would be minimal.

I investigated living in Mexico, Peru, and Ecuador. Like you mentioned, it's cheap to live like a native, but costs ramp up quickly if you want "normal" things. Plus I'd need to learn Spanish and I suck at languages.

At the other end of the spectrum is the ability to live like a king there on a modest income. You could have a fancy estate and hire a bunch of servants for a lot less than in the US. Even have a few concubines! But I'm not in a financial situation to afford that, and I don't think my wife would approve of the concubines...
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Old 04-16-2016, 11:55 AM
 
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Here's some interesting figures on this

Counting the Uncountable: Overseas Americans | migrationpolicy.org

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Interesting article. The box "What's in a Name?" made me smile. The first sentence of the second paragraph identifies exactly why I never, never call myself an "expatriate."

I always say I am an emigrant from the U.S. As far as my neighbors are concerned I fall under the catch-all umbrella of "foreigner."
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Old 04-16-2016, 12:04 PM
 
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I read that many people are moving overseas in retirement to live frugally. An interesting concept. But if you moved to the a cheap low cost of living place like in South America- is it actually cheaper than living in a small town in a low cost of living place in the south?

Anyone on this board move overseas to live frugally because you determined it is cheaper than anyplace in America? Tell us about it!
I've told my story too often by now to try to retail it again. But I found that of all the areas of the U.S. that would have pleased me I would have had to live very carefully by U.S. standards. I would not, by the way, have been satisfied to live "anyplace in America", any more than I would live "anyplace" in you-name-the-country. By being willing to transfer those American standards I would have had to accept to Portugal, I actually got to live much better....and with the pleasure of having a new, exciting adventure in retirement.

And for several reasons over the years, have prospered more in retirement than I ever did in my working life.
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Old 04-16-2016, 12:17 PM
 
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If I retired overseas, I would miss the following in America:

Movie Theatres
Large Shopping Centers
Golf Courses
Libraries
Bowling Alleys
Nice Parks with trails
A common language that most people speak, that I do too!
Ability to get in my car and drive to all kinds of interesting places
All the great restaurants (Including fast casual American chains they don't have overseas)
Great Healthcare
American Cable TV
Fast and reliable Internet
Adult Education classes

To me, I would have to save thousands of dollars to give up those things!
Where have you pictured this "overseas" to be? In rural Botswana?

Of your "I would misses" What I do not have in my area: a (public) English language library, a bowling alley, and Adult Education classes. I skipped the language point as I find the idea of learning enough of a foreign language to be able to navigate around is zero burden, unless you are hog lazy.
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Old 04-16-2016, 12:19 PM
 
Location: Central IL
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I read that many people are moving overseas in retirement to live frugally. An interesting concept. But if you moved to the a cheap low cost of living place like in South America- is it actually cheaper than living in a small town in a low cost of living place in the south?

Anyone on this board move overseas to live frugally because you determined it is cheaper than anyplace in America? Tell us about it!
I think, like with most things, if you're ONLY doing them to save money you'll end up being dissatisfied. You have to really enjoy the culture and the people and hopefully learn the language. Otherwise you're just an American "out of water" complaining about the food, and the weird customs, and whatnot. You have to appreciate your new country for WHAT IT IS - because it is NOT the U.S. And it will cost you a LOT of money to try to recreate the U.S. in another country so don't try to fool yourself.
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Old 04-16-2016, 12:46 PM
 
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I think, like with most things, if you're ONLY doing them to save money you'll end up being dissatisfied. You have to really enjoy the culture and the people and hopefully learn the language. Otherwise you're just an American "out of water" complaining about the food, and the weird customs, and whatnot. You have to appreciate your new country for WHAT IT IS - because it is NOT the U.S. And it will cost you a LOT of money to try to recreate the U.S. in another country so don't try to fool yourself.
BINGO!!! That's it. If you are just doing it for the money saved, you are damned, doomed, lost.

I live where there are many expats who have done it for the savings, and they spend so much time whining and complaining they are people I flee from immediately. Many people have extremely rigid ideas of what is necessary for their comfort and happiness and have never tested these, and in that case I am convinced it is far, far better for them to stay in their own country and make their adjustments on familiar ground.

My personal feeling on the matter is that unless you are really excited about living in some particular place abroad after you have researched it to death on the internet and visited and toured it, then stay put...unless you just have several years of vacation residency in mind.

I was born and raised in the U.S., and became quite disenchanted with what it became in the closing decades of the 20th century, so I left for a place that really appealed to me. Not only do I not have the slightest interest in going back to the U.S., I do not believe that I would be psychologically able to make all of the negative adjustments. Thus, my shoe is on the other foot.

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Old 04-16-2016, 02:24 PM
 
Location: Ruidoso, NM
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By being willing to transfer those American standards I would have had to accept to Portugal, I actually got to live much better....and with the pleasure of having a new, exciting adventure in retirement.
Can you tell us more about living in Portugal? Adjustment, COL, what you like and dislike the most vs the US?
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