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Old 02-01-2019, 02:47 PM
 
Location: Texas
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thats funny. pop tarts are an important part of my daughters' diets. im not sure why someone woudnt consider them food. are waffles and pancakes food? its all just a combo of carbohydrates and fats. it can even be a super fancy waffle or whatever but food is food and food is healthy.
Not all food is healthy, though. Some foods are unhealthier than others.

We do eat pancakes and waffles, but use sugar-free syrup. I also wouldn't say they're an important part of my kid's diets. I'm not anti-carb, but to me, what differentiates waffles from pop tarts is that pop tarts have a lot of high fructose corn syrup. Sure, eat them if you want. They're cheap and go on sale often.
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Old 02-01-2019, 03:01 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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Pop-Tarts are 400 calories of ultra-processed components, without a single redeeming quality. 14-15g of fat, 35-40g of sugar, 350mg of sodium, in a more compact form than a military energy bar.

It's utterly false logic and science to compare something like that to scratch-made foods even if made from nominally similar ingredients. No, 400 calories of pancakes and syrup are no better for you, but at least the list of additives and preservatives doesn't go on for half a page.
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Old 02-02-2019, 10:10 AM
 
Location: Mid-Atlantic
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Not all food is healthy, though. Some foods are unhealthier than others.

We do eat pancakes and waffles, but use sugar-free syrup. I also wouldn't say they're an important part of my kid's diets. I'm not anti-carb, but to me, what differentiates waffles from pop tarts is that pop tarts have a lot of high fructose corn syrup. Sure, eat them if you want. They're cheap and go on sale often.
Sugar-free syrup?
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Old 02-02-2019, 11:43 AM
 
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Sugar-free syrup?
When I make pancakes for my granddaughters they get real maple syrup.
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Old 02-02-2019, 11:48 AM
 
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When I make pancakes for my granddaughters they get real maple syrup.
They probably don't eat a stack twice a day, right?

Real foods in reasonable quantities simply do not equate to processed foods in often much greater quantities, no matter how much reductionist nutrition logic is applied. Yes, OJ and soda are both sugary drinks... but one came from a natural source and the other is usually consumed in much, much greater quantity. No equate sign there.
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Old 02-02-2019, 01:44 PM
 
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Not all food is healthy, though. Some foods are unhealthier than others.

We do eat pancakes and waffles, but use sugar-free syrup. I also wouldn't say they're an important part of my kid's diets. I'm not anti-carb, but to me, what differentiates waffles from pop tarts is that pop tarts have a lot of high fructose corn syrup. Sure, eat them if you want. They're cheap and go on sale often.
so you have decided high fructose corn syrup is evil and artificial sweetener is good. thats wonderful.

there really is no difference between pop tarts and waffles.
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Old 02-02-2019, 01:46 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Sugar-free syrup?
i got a kick out of how she thinks high fructose corn syrup is the devil but artificial sweetener is great. its funny how people pick and choose what they consider healthy (then they have the nerve to think they have some level of knowledge about their choices).
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Old 02-02-2019, 01:48 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Pop-Tarts are 400 calories of ultra-processed components, without a single redeeming quality. 14-15g of fat, 35-40g of sugar, 350mg of sodium, in a more compact form than a military energy bar.

It's utterly false logic and science to compare something like that to scratch-made foods even if made from nominally similar ingredients. No, 400 calories of pancakes and syrup are no better for you, but at least the list of additives and preservatives doesn't go on for half a page.
your body has no idea of the difference between scratch made foods and pre-made foods heated in a toaster. that is what science would say.

when you say "ultra processed" what specifically are you referring to? what form of processing concerns you when it comes to healthiness of food?
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:06 PM
 
Location: Aurora Denveralis
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when you say "ultra processed" what specifically are you referring to? what form of processing concerns you when it comes to healthiness of food?
If you have any idea what the term "food engineering" means, you wouldn't ask the question. Commercial food processors don't use giant versions of Grandma's stock pot, nor ingredients you can buy in a grocery store. Even simple ingredients used in commercial cooking and baking are processed and prepared in ways quite different from home products.

You can start with Salt Sugar Fat by Michael Moss for some serious eye-opening about not just ingredients, but how foods are compounded primarily to win the conglomerate wars. Food makers care about little else, in the end.
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Old 02-02-2019, 02:45 PM
 
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They probably don't eat a stack [of pancakes] twice a day, right?

Real foods in reasonable quantities simply do not equate to processed foods in often much greater quantities, no matter how much reductionist nutrition logic is applied. Yes, OJ and soda are both sugary drinks... but one came from a natural source and the other is usually consumed in much, much greater quantity. No equate sign there.
No- and DS and DDIL are pretty careful about what they eat, although Grandma is allowed to feed them the occasional cake pop at Starbucks! No pop in the house and they cook a lot from scratch.

But- to get back to the OT- I used coupons back when DS was little (in the 1980s), mostly because his favorite breakfast cereals were sold at a huge markup and then deeply discounted with coupons.There were also good rebates on baby food- send in UPC codes, get a coupon for more free baby food- and the local food bank was a beneficiary of that. I've pretty much stopped now. I do a lot of shopping at Costco and they don't accept coupons, and the coupons the local grocery stores offer- paper and electronic- are typically a small % off of food I wouldn't allow in my kitchen.
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