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Old 09-01-2018, 12:34 AM
Location: Germantown, Philadelphia
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Originally Posted by Gerania View Post
While most--I think--people live in urban areas, it's not a mostly urban country.
Suburbs are classed as urbanized land. Surely you wouldn't call them rural.

Unless you're arguing from total land area rather than population, in which case you're right. About 75 percent of all Americans live in urbanized areas, but the overwhelming bulk of the American land mass remains undeveloped. Likewise, most of the country's urban population lives in two clusters of dense urban settlement, one in the Northeast, the other on the West Coast, plus a third such cluster surrounding the Great Lakes.

Old 09-01-2018, 07:06 AM
Location: Suburban wasteland of NC
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Originally Posted by MarketStEl View Post
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The auto chauvinists try to make this argument, and some of them can be pretty arrogant about dismissing bicycles as a legitimate form of transportation.

But it's wrong: Bicycles are vehicles, like horse-drawn wagons, and like horse-drawn wagons, they are supposed to use the portion of the road devoted to vehicles. The only road users who are supposed to be on the sidewalk are pedestrians.

I note we don't get complaints about horse-drawn carriages getting in the way, not even from participants in Amish country. That we get them about bikes so often should indicate that they are indeed a more widely used form of practical transport than many suspect, even if they make up a small share of all the vehicles on the road in this country.

selhars: You have seen those signs with the picture of a bike and the legend "MAY USE FULL LANE"? Those are relatively recent additions to the Manual of Uniform Traffic Control Devices (the official Federal road sign manual), and it's there because motorists need to be reminded that bicycles are not restricted to a narrow sliver of the lane where no bike lanes exist. Yes, the rules of the road say they should keep as far to the right as practicable to allow faster traffic to pass, but how would you expect them to make left turns if they weren't allowed to use all of the general traffic lane? BTW, that should also apply for left turns from streets with bike lanes too. Legally, the presence of a bike lane does not preclude bikes from using the other lanes if they choose to do so.
This actually depends on the state. ID says it's fine to ride on the sidewalk (https://www.idahostatesman.com/enter...172582841.html), NC says no (https://www.cbs17.com/news/do-you-kn...-nc/1016946798). ID also says a bike can treat a red light like a stop sign and a stop sign as a yield.

Great, now I miss ID even more than I already did. This place will make a person miss every other place they ever lived.
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