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Old 03-03-2011, 12:54 PM
 
Location: DC
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He wants to be sure his dna won't be used for anything funky, like mixed with some animal dna and grown in a lab
Did you tell him the goat had the same objections about mixing with his DNA?
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Old 03-03-2011, 07:45 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Did you tell him the goat had the same objections about mixing with his DNA?
Hmmm...I just might tell him that!
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Old 03-03-2011, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Everywhere and Nowhere
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Virtually everybody that descends from western European stock is related to European royalty at some point in their line. There just weren't that many people then.
I think that's more the case with recent immigrant ancestors. Marriage outside of the nobility was much less common 400 years ago than 100 years ago. A Brit coming here now is much more likely to be descended from nobility than my English ancestors who arrived here in Virginia in the 1600s. They were mainly indentured servants descended from generations of lower class commoners.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:03 AM
 
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I think that's more the case with recent immigrant ancestors. Marriage outside of the nobility was much less common 400 years ago than 100 years ago. A Brit coming here now is much more likely to be descended from nobility than my English ancestors who arrived here in Virginia in the 1600s. They were mainly indentured servants descended from generations of lower class commoners.
Some of my ancestors were here in the early 1600 too, but my comment is based upon the basic numbers. If you go back to the era of Charlemagne, the population of Europe was only 20-30 million and you have 1 x 10^18 ancestors from that generation. Obviously all Europeans share many common ancestors from that time frame. If you include several large die offs from plagues which concentrate the gene pool, then it's a very high probability that anyone alive today who is a descendant from Western European stock is related to nobility.

Marriage isn't what I'm talking about, by and large the royal families bred with anything that would breed. "Illegitimate births" were not even something particularly embarrassing. It just precluded the descendant from inheriting. As a final though on Britain, nobility could always be purchased if the family was financially successful so the notion that royals married royals might be technically correct, but commoners became "noble" all the time.
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Old 03-04-2011, 01:14 PM
 
Location: Dalton Gardens
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Royals did not always marry other royals. Younger children in a royal household, particularly daughters, often married someone of lesser, but noble, rank. Even the Royal Marriage Act cannot prevent a Royal from marrying someone of a lesser rank if the King/Queen will not approve. They merely have to wait until they are age 25 years and put it to Parliment.

Also keep in mind that some noble families were originally from a Royal line, but lost that status due to usurption or conquest, such as when Henry Tudor took the throne. It was considered acceptable to marry a Royal child to someone from one of these previously royal lines. But that could also be considered a dangerous move so at times was disallowed.
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Old 03-04-2011, 02:05 PM
 
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I'm not sure this is directed at me, but as I pointed out before, throughout English history peerages were for sale. The second point is that in a genealogical board we are concerned with all progeny, not just those derived from a marriage.
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Old 03-04-2011, 04:37 PM
 
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When you read most of these "I'm descended from nobility" stories they rarely mention it was through an illegitmate child. As to nobility versus royalty my comments were about the larger former group so royalty falling out of that status doesn't really apply.
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Old 03-04-2011, 07:59 PM
 
Location: Southeast Missouri
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If my research is right, Charlemagne is my 39-great grandfather. Of course, I've just connected it all through internet searches. I don't have DNA proof or anything. That would be hard to come by, as I would have to find a direct male descendant. That would take a lot of researching.

Being descended from Charlemagne is nothing special, though. I am descended through two of his children, though.

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Old 03-04-2011, 09:00 PM
 
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If my research is right, Charlemagne is my 39-great grandfather. Of course, I've just connected it all through internet searches. I don't have DNA proof or anything. That would be hard to come by, as I would have to find a direct male descendant. That would take a lot of researching.

Being descended from Charlemagne is nothing special, though. I am descended through two of his children, though.
Don't believe it just because it's on somebody else's internet tree. As I said, during the several years I've been doing this I've come across several bogus links to nobility, many subsequently disproven through DNA, but not one credible one. I doubt I'm all that unique.

Here's an excellent compendium of genealogy myths:

http://www.cyndislist.com/myths.htm

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Old 03-14-2011, 11:30 PM
 
Location: I'm out searching for me... If you see me, let me know... ;--)
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I've had a few where someone mentioned people we were related to (one in literature and a few others). Some are probable or possible. My family did tell me about how McDaniel became Daniels in our family tree. That was true. It goes back farther than McDaniel, though. One relative jokingly said that we're related to Jack Daniel. It is possible, given that our family had the same name in the same area around the same time, but not proven. I've also been told that one of my ancestors was a Confederate Colonel. No evidence, but it's probable that he was a Confederate. I had ancestors on both sides.

My grandmother used to tell people she was related to Andrew Jackson, but once she grew up she stopped saying that because it's probably very much unlikely, based on location. She knew that, but she was a kid and wanted to be special.

I haven't heard that many outrageous stories from my family, though.

someone I am related to: George Washington (I founded out I'm descended from Charlemagne so I looked up other people who were. If you are descended from Charlemagne, we're probably related). I'm related to Ty Cobb (just through marriage). I'm descended from Charlemagne, so there is royalty back there somewhere.

There was also someone with my last name who married a President's daughter. I'm not sure if there is any relation.

My great-grandfather's sister sat on a book with a mouse inside it and killed the mouse. Probably did happen but it's just gross. Apparently she was a big woman.


Some of you guys have interesting families, to say the least.
Hi, I'm new here and am really enjoying this thread! Funny story about the mouse. Well, not for the mouse...

Who is the person in literature that you're possibly related to?

I am related to a famous western writer, Brett Harte. A great, great grandfather and he were cousins. Harte has been said to have influenced western writing for a hundred years and supposedly taught Mark Twain to edit chapter books. Or something like that! LoL
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