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Old 12-23-2013, 03:01 PM
 
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Where did you get the idea that Pierce Brosnan have olive skin? Don't just stare at the "Hollywood" look he's sporting, if you were well acquainted you should have seen pictures of Pierce Brosnan as a young man he was as naturally pale skin("ghost-white) and his eyes are blue not brown/hazel.
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Old 12-23-2013, 05:24 PM
 
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Correct! What an interesting article! It is the first time I read that and in my opinion it backs a lot I've writing about. Many people tagged Pierce as "dark", this includes Traveller 86 as well, however the study made on Icelanders found the gene("Pierce Brosnan") gives people brown hair, light eyes and a very fair/pale skin which is very sensitive to sunlight. The IRF4 gene must have a high frequency among British Islanders as well.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 08:05 PM
 
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Thanks for that. I find these genetic studies fascinating.
 
Old 12-23-2013, 10:40 PM
 
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Professor Erikur Steingrimsson, leading a group of international scientists at the Uol Biomedical Centre and Faculty of Medecine at the University of Iceland, according to them, the IRF4 gene causes individuals that carry the variation of brown hair, blue eyes, freckles and skin that is so sensitive to sunlight. This phenotype has been called the Irish phenotype as it is most common in Ireland, but is also found in Iceland and the rest of Europe. It is also the result as humans moved away from the equator, skin had to lighten in order to retain heat and absorb Vitamin D.
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Old 12-24-2013, 01:40 AM
 
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Enough already with this stupid topic.
Indeed, it belongs in the Fashion forum, or maybe the one for Paranormal and Mysterious events. This thread should star in a snuff flick.
 
Old 12-25-2013, 11:25 AM
 
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The whole "Black Irish" thing is a very American-borne phenomenon that only really exists to explain divergence from the tall height and red and/or blonde hair stereotype. The Spanish Armada thing is a joke- you simply would have needed FAR more armadas and FAR more Spanish soldiers in many more successive waves, all breeding with the locals with few returning home...to make much General genetic impact on the genepool itself.

Dark wavy hair and eyes are common in Ireland and have been for centuries and centuries. This phenotype is also common in the highlands of Scotland, as well as parts of England and Wales.

Now, there ARE some shared genetic components between the Iberians and most ethnic British Islanders. However, this is rooted in more ancient times, and is shared rather than the result of recent admixture.
 
Old 12-28-2013, 04:42 AM
 
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The whole "Black Irish" thing is a very American-borne phenomenon that only really exists to explain divergence from the tall height and red and/or blonde hair stereotype. The Spanish Armada thing is a joke- you simply would have needed FAR more armadas and FAR more Spanish soldiers in many more successive waves, all breeding with the locals with few returning home...to make much General genetic impact on the genepool itself.

Dark wavy hair and eyes are common in Ireland and have been for centuries and centuries. This phenotype is also common in the highlands of Scotland, as well as parts of England and Wales.

Now, there ARE some shared genetic components between the Iberians and most ethnic British Islanders. However, this is rooted in more ancient times, and is shared rather than the result of recent admixture.
Correction there. Dark hair is not rare in Ireland, however most Irish are known to have a very light skin colouring and light eyes especially blue. Thus whenever an Irishman who was darker than the "average Irish" counterparts, they were labelled as "Black Irish". Obviously since Ireland is already more blue-eyed, pale-complected than Britain as a whole, the ratio of people who combine dark brown hair and brown/hazel eyes would be more common there than in Ireland. There are much more people of Irish ancestry in North America than in Ireland. You seem to confuse things, the R1b haplogroup is common throughout Western Europe, including northwest and southwest parts. It's not only confined to the British Isles and Iberia, that's a theory which is surely outdated by now. It is also not the most ancient gene in Western Europe. Additionally, there are different subclades of R1b, those which are dominant in the British Isles, are not in Iberia and vice-versa, the ones in Friesland are different too and they are not linked specifically to pigmentation. "The Spanish Armada" theory or fairy tale is not an American invention rather came with the tales of Irish immigrants. The Irish were already against British rule and harsh treatment so sympathy for Spain was higher. Though the Spaniards got their b---s kicked by the British, something the Irish really resented.
 
Old 12-28-2013, 07:26 PM
 
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Yeah, sometimes pale Irish people with very dark hair and light blue eyes are also tagged "Black Irish".

Colin Morgan is a good example of a light-eyed Black Irish.
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See that in contrast with the redhead stereotype.
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Uh; that's what I look like in skin, hair and eye color, that red headed dude.
 
Old 12-29-2013, 04:58 PM
 
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Once again -- this is NOT GENEALOGY.... thread closed.
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