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Old 07-06-2013, 08:16 AM
 
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Of course they wouldn't match now in the present however their subclads i.e. Basque R-M153 (R-P312-2a) & Irish (R-M222 (R-P312-4b) do match up when go far enough back (in time) to their parental subclad R-P312 (R1b1a2a1a1b) and before that M-269 (R1b1a2) which shows the three highest in that subclad as Wales 92%, Basque 87% & Ireland 85%. Yes there are other subclads as well e.g. R-U106 (R1b1a2a1a1a) found mainly around western Germany, Netherlands, and southeastern England although i've not heard of any ''black'' terminology for these people.


As far as ''black'' irish or any other ''black'' british terminology goes i freely plead ignorance to this subject as sadly i've never resided at nor visited the British Isles (motherland) as i'll continue to follow along with interest as to what others have to say about this.
If you go back far enough with R1b you will reach the Black Sea. Anyway y chromosome is not good for looking at how related a population is you need to look at autosomal dna. Black Irish and Black Dutch stems back to America where there were many different nationalities. It is not used in Ireland.

 
Old 07-06-2013, 08:23 AM
 
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Black Irish and Black Dutch stems back to America where there were many different nationalities. It is not used in Ireland.
O.k. thanks for passing that tidbit along ... and infact i've never even heard of the term ''Black Irish'' until i started reading about it on some geneology forums over the last year or two.
 
Old 07-06-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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O.k. thanks for passing that tidbit along ... and infact i've never even heard of the term ''Black Irish'' until i started reading about it on some geneology forums over the last year or two.
The only time I've heard people being called black was from by Grandmother who used the term Black Protestants and she is long gone. All I can say is that in Ireland there is no entity called the Black Irish.
 
Old 07-06-2013, 08:30 AM
 
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Have not heard that slang term in forever, "Black Irish" = Spanish/Irish mix Dark hair and very fair colored skin. A look like Snow White from Seven Dwarfts. Like all other human looks it is a beautiful look. People can take a negative spin on anything but the way Ive heard this "term" used it wasn't meant rudely.
 
Old 07-06-2013, 08:32 AM
 
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Black Irish = Spanish/Irish mix (I know for sure)
It seem that no matter what is said some myths will never die.
 
Old 07-06-2013, 11:24 AM
 
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I always thought Black Irish was an Irish citizen of African descent.
 
Old 07-06-2013, 11:47 AM
 
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Now that our world is so globally diverse. What DO you call Irish citizens of African descent?
 
Old 07-06-2013, 04:10 PM
 
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Now that our world is so globally diverse. What DO you call Irish citizens of African descent?
That's a good question to asked the OP. I think Afro-Irish would be the politically correct term.
 
Old 07-06-2013, 06:46 PM
 
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Being called a black Irish has nothing to do with being of African descent at all, it refers to people of Irish ancestry who have features that are darker than stereotypical Irish features — blue or green eyes, reddish hair and pale skin. Irish people who have dark hair, brown eyes and dark complexions are often referred to as Black Irish. In some places, at times, immigrants from Ireland have been called this term, often in a derogatory manner. There are even believed to be some people who are not of Irish descent who have used this term to refer to themselves in order to conceal their true ancestry. My grandmother was a true red hair, hazel eyed irish beauty and she told me that her father was referred to as a black Irish by his family since he had deep brown eyes, olive complexion and black hair
 
Old 07-06-2013, 07:12 PM
 
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Yes, we know this, nicklesmc. This "Black Irish" conversation has been going on so long, rehashing the same information, that some of us has followed a tangent to another place in semantics. There currently are Irish citizens in the Irish Republic that are of Asian, African, and other than European descent. We inquired about the politically correct term that they use for their ethnicity...get it? African -Irish?

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