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Old 11-29-2015, 10:12 AM
 
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Thought exercise: If you were born in Ireland, had Irish citizenship, were raised Irish, all four of your grandparents considered themselves Irish, you spoke Gaelic, celebrated Irish holidays and traditions, belonged to an Irish church, were active in Irish culture and politics but were ethnically 1/32 Irish do you think you'd consider yourself Irish? Because that would be a fair comparison to a lot of Cherokee citizens with a 1/32 blood quantum.
But in this case, you could do all those things, but have zero Irish blood, and you wouldn't be thought of as Irish. You wouldn't be a member of the tribe. So the 1/32nd ancestry is supposed to have some significance.

Still, they can define their tribe however they wish.
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:12 AM
 
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Thought exercise: If you were born in Ireland, had Irish citizenship, were raised Irish, all four of your grandparents considered themselves Irish, you spoke Gaelic, celebrated Irish holidays and traditions, belonged to an Irish church, were active in Irish culture and politics but were ethnically 1/32 Irish do you think you'd consider yourself Irish? Because that would be a fair comparison to a lot of Cherokee citizens with a 1/32 blood quantum.

Cherokee nation in Oklahoma has no minimum blood quantum, just requires an ancestor listed as "Cherokee by blood" on the Dawes roll, to the best of my knowledge the lowest blood quantum of an enrolled member is currently 1/8192, 1/32 is about average.
The Creek Nation also allows enrollment via rolls only. However, both The Cherokee Nation and Creek Nation, you need a CDIB (Certified Degree Indian Blood). Either nation can change their enrollment processed at any given time and require a blood quantum if they so choose. Though someone 1/32 Cherokee (equivalent to 3rd great grandparent) is not "Indian" by race, they are a Cherokee citizen which they have obtained via their Cherokee ancestor(s). Many are not just 1/32 or 1/16 (one lone ancestor). Many are 3/6, 2/8, 4/8, 6/128 and have multiple ancestors. However, legally, they would be American Indian in the United States.

Anyone born in Ireland would be an Irish citizen, that is a National, not a race. If you are Chinese, born in Ireland an spoke Gaelic, you would be an Irish citizen of Chinese descent speaking the national language of Ireland. If an Irish person was born in China and spoke manderin, they would be a Chinese citizen of Irish decent. Chinese are primarily of the Han race.
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:49 AM
 
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The Current Chief of the Cherokee Nation is Bill John Baker and he is only 1/32nd native american. Is this enough to really identity yourself as a native american?




If someone told you they were only 1/32nd native american but identified as a native american would you find that strange at all?
I think you only have to be 1/32 to get acknowledged by the federal government, which is probably the end game for many people. I wouldn't ever consider that to be their primary ethnicity.
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Old 11-29-2015, 12:46 PM
 
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I think you only have to be 1/32 to get acknowledged by the federal government, which is probably the end game for many people. I wouldn't ever consider that to be their primary ethnicity.
That is incorrect. The federal government does not set the blood quantum criteria. The tribes sets this and at their discretion how much tribal blood one needs to enroll or what rolls are used to determine lineage. The only thing the government requires is lineage to a federally recognized tribe be established to be legally American Indian in the US and enrolled to only one tribe.
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Old 11-29-2015, 04:30 PM
 
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That is incorrect. The federal government does not set the blood quantum criteria. The tribes sets this and at their discretion how much tribal blood one needs to enroll or what rolls are used to determine lineage. The only thing the government requires is lineage to a federally recognized tribe be established to be legally American Indian in the US and enrolled to only one tribe.
So if you can get the specific tribe to acknowledge you, then you are good to go for the government? Interesting to know, thanks.
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Old 11-29-2015, 11:50 PM
 
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Federal guidlines state that if you are 1/8 of some ethic background you can put that down.
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Old 11-30-2015, 03:54 PM
 
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The Current Chief of the Cherokee Nation is Bill John Baker and he is only 1/32nd native american. Is this enough to really identity yourself as a native american?




If someone told you they were only 1/32nd native american but identified as a native american would you find that strange at all?
WE were sent to live on a small reservation in Oklahoma not anywhere near where we were from. The fact that so many mixed with white and black settlers because we needed to survive.
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Old 12-01-2015, 08:47 AM
 
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when a person has to question if they are considered to have enough native american blood to claim NA ancestry, plus many of those claiming it may have ancestors that were also of mixed blood of unknown origin, they may have been decendants of slaves, remember it was not a good thing to claim you were negro, they much preferred to say Indian.

If you have to resort to doing DNA tests, thats still no guarantee, you could be mixed with people from Mexico or Asia, since those ethnic groups have a similar DNA

all those caucasion / white european looking people that claim to be native american are whats left of a wiped out / extinct tribe / washed out of existence.

natives of Mexico actually have much more native american / indigenous ancestry than your typical American euro mutt that claims NA and has to do a DNA test.
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Old 12-21-2015, 06:59 PM
 
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No. He is not a Cherokee. Most Indian tribes will not accept you as a native if you are less than 1/4 Native American.
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Old 12-21-2015, 07:56 PM
 
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No. He is not a Cherokee. Most Indian tribes will not accept you as a native if you are less than 1/4 Native American.
You realize the tribe you literally said he is not of is one that doesn't have a blood quantum requirement and he is in fact a recognized member of the Cherokee tribe (and the Chief lol). You are provably wrong.
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