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Old 06-24-2017, 04:50 PM
 
Location: Clown School
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Hm. I'm 1/8 Hawaiian, but I don't think I'd possibly be able to be accepted as Hawaiian by full-blooded Hawaiians.
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Old 06-26-2017, 11:30 PM
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Hm. I'm 1/8 Hawaiian, but I don't think I'd possibly be able to be accepted as Hawaiian by full-blooded Hawaiians.
Does a full-blooded Hawaiian exist anymore?
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Old 06-27-2017, 03:28 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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This sounds like a guy with his own agenda. One that may or may not be favorable to real Native Americans. I woudn't think that would be close to enough to claim Native American status.
Seems he works hard to do good stuff for the tribe..is that the right term or nation.. sorry if Ive put the wrong word... I dont know about this type of ancestry but maybe he deserves the accolade with all his time and effort..
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Old 06-27-2017, 03:30 AM
 
Location: Glasgow Scotland
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Does a full-blooded Hawaiian exist anymore?
I dont know how it works..Im half Spanish but dont talk the talk so dont feel Spanish or think I should be seen as one.. but maybe its different over there... in the US. with the heritage thing..
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Old 07-01-2017, 07:15 PM
 
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It means that one of his great great grandparents, two of his great great great grandparents, or etc. was full blooded Cherokee so I'd say he's a small part AI.
One of his great great grandparents is not all that far removed.

I have a pic of me as a baby with my great great grandmother.......it was a human interest 5 generation picture in a local newspaper.

But, I had a very close relationship with my great grandmother until I was in my early thirties. She told me many stories and passed along many traditions of my great great grandparents. So, while they weren't native American, if they had been, I would be fully cognizant of the traditions of native American great great grandparents.

In other words, for many families, especially where the women married and had children very young at 17/18, 1/32 ancestry is not that long ago.
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Old 07-01-2017, 08:54 PM
 
Location: State of Transition
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Hi I just found out I have 1/3 of native american is that enough to claim benefits in san diego,calif
It depends on the tribe. Some enroll adults if they can prove one parent was a tribal member, and they meet whatever the blood quantum requirement is for "their" tribe. With some tribes, the applicant for tribal membership has to dig through historical rolls, and document that an ancestor was on those rolls. That's the short answer. Different tribes have different policies. Find out what your tribe's policy is.

Some aren't thrilled about strangers showing up, applying for tribal status, because after prosperity came via the casinos and other businesses, there was a rush of interest in tribal membership, and it obviously wasn't due to lost descendants wanting to reclaim their heritage.
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Old 07-06-2017, 02:53 PM
 
Location: Broward County, FL
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No. That's a really insignificant amount.
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Old 02-09-2018, 01:23 PM
 
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This whole fractional Native American issue is absurd, probably foisted on us by the federal government by virtue of the fact that the government leaves it up to the tribes to determine blood quantum for tribal membership...I think.

If a person is less than 1/2 Native, they are more something else than they are Native...usually European. So how can they possible refer to themselves as Native? They are usually very distant descendants...while they may look somewhat Native. There may be cultural reasons they wish to bond to a tribe, and that is fine if the tribe accepts them. But these people also use the tribe for types of federal assistance and relief from their state/county property tax obligation. Anyone with verifiable blood quantum of less than 50% can be anything they want to be...it's up to them...but a state/county property tax payer they must be.

There are counties like mine where half or more of the land is owned by non-Natives, and property tax is paid on their land/homes. But most of the other 50% do not pay state/county property taxes, leaving the burden on those who do pay. It is not right, particularly when you look at our local district court system where approximately 70% of the folks who are brought to those courts are Native descendants. This system needs to be changed. The tribes can adopt whomever they wish, but less than 50% blood...Yep, property tax payer.

And further, related subject, no one who is not a property tax payer on their primary residence should be eligible to be responsible to manage the public funds of those who do. County Sheriffs, judges, etc.
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Old 02-09-2018, 01:59 PM
 
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This whole fractional Native American issue is absurd, probably foisted on us by the federal government by virtue of the fact that the government leaves it up to the tribes to determine blood quantum for tribal membership...I think.

If a person is less than 1/2 Native, they are more something else than they are Native...usually European. So how can they possible refer to themselves as Native? They are usually very distant descendants...while they may look somewhat Native. There may be cultural reasons they wish to bond to a tribe, and that is fine if the tribe accepts them. But these people also use the tribe for types of federal assistance and relief from their state/county property tax obligation. Anyone with verifiable blood quantum of less than 50% can be anything they want to be...it's up to them...but a state/county property tax payer they must be.

There are counties like mine where half or more of the land is owned by non-Natives, and property tax is paid on their land/homes. But most of the other 50% do not pay state/county property taxes, leaving the burden on those who do pay. It is not right, particularly when you look at our local district court system where approximately 70% of the folks who are brought to those courts are Native descendants. This system needs to be changed. The tribes can adopt whomever they wish, but less than 50% blood...Yep, property tax payer.

And further, related subject, no one who is not a property tax payer on their primary residence should be eligible to be responsible to manage the public funds of those who do. County Sheriffs, judges, etc.
What if the tribe is made up of a many people who have been fully considered tribal members for hundreds of years that were less than 50% indigenous DNA.

DNA does not equal ethnicity. John Ross the Principal Chief of the Cherokee during the trail of tears (the one who was avid about not removing and had support of the more pure blood members) was only 1/8th Cherokee by their tracking methods, possibly even less by DNA (due to heavy intermixing for so long). He was very much a Native American and was considered just as much by his fellow Cherokee.

Not all cultures and people consider their culture/ethnicity via the same rules you do.
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Old 02-09-2018, 07:05 PM
 
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
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This whole fractional Native American issue is absurd, probably foisted on us by the federal government by virtue of the fact that the government leaves it up to the tribes to determine blood quantum for tribal membership...I think.

If a person is less than 1/2 Native, they are more something else than they are Native...usually European. So how can they possible refer to themselves as Native?
Because self identity and culture are more complex than that?

If you have a problem with how tribes accept members, take it up with them.

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They are usually very distant descendants...while they may look somewhat Native. There may be cultural reasons they wish to bond to a tribe, and that is fine if the tribe accepts them. But these people also use the tribe for types of federal assistance and relief from their state/county property tax obligation. Anyone with verifiable blood quantum of less than 50% can be anything they want to be...it's up to them...but a state/county property tax payer they must be.

There are counties like mine where half or more of the land is owned by non-Natives, and property tax is paid on their land/homes. But most of the other 50% do not pay state/county property taxes, leaving the burden on those who do pay. It is not right, particularly when you look at our local district court system where approximately 70% of the folks who are brought to those courts are Native descendants. This system needs to be changed. The tribes can adopt whomever they wish, but less than 50% blood...Yep, property tax payer.

And further, related subject, no one who is not a property tax payer on their primary residence should be eligible to be responsible to manage the public funds of those who do. County Sheriffs, judges, etc.
Sounds like you're just trying to pick a bone about tax issues. That's not what this section of the forum is for.
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