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Old 11-20-2012, 09:00 AM
 
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Wow. You guys are harsh. 1/32 is the most commonly reported blood quantum for members of the Cherokee Nation in Oklahoma. Y'know, the people who elected him. Doesn't change the fact that they are culturally Native American and have maintained a continuous identity as a tribe with federal government recognition. Membership in the western band of the Cherokee Nation is based more on continuous cultural identity than blood quantum, I'm 3/16 indian, mostly Cherokee, but not eligible for tribal membership because my ancestors left the tribe to do their own thing in the 1700s/1800s before the final rolls were drawn up. I have cousins in the tribe, some of them with a blood quantum of less than 1/32. They're Cherokee, I'm Appalachian, culture trumps genetics.

"they are culturally Native American"
"less than 1/32"
Why even have blood quantum requirement at all? If thats the case, someone who has been raised in the culture who has no genetic link could Culturally be NA.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:06 AM
 
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No, I don't consider him NA
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:16 AM
 
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Let's see now...... ONE drop of black blood makes a person Black. (we don't seem to have a problem with that way of thinking.)

So what is the problem with ONE drop of American Indian blood making a person American Indian.

It stands to reason then, that white blood in any amount is not worth mentioning.
Apparently, the need to belong to a Group (Tribe) whether it be NA, White, Black, Irish, Italian, Mexican, American or other race or nationality is a necessary Human trait. It's basically part of our survival instinct. There is usually a Pride aspect that if not held in check can degenerate into group superiority and Racism.

Sorry, I digress.
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:23 AM
 
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How the heck do you follow your family lineage to 1/32?
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Old 11-20-2012, 09:36 AM
 
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How the heck do you follow your family lineage to 1/32?
Really good records or family rumor and inuendo, which is rampid as we are finding out. With Genetics many people are finding out they weren't who they thought they were
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Old 11-20-2012, 10:36 AM
 
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How the heck do you follow your family lineage to 1/32?
Many genealogists know the identity of their great grandparents' parents.

In this particular situation, the Principal Chief's bio indicates he is 1/32 Cherokee. Friends of his 2nd great grandmother escorted her to the Indian Territory after her parents died walking the Trail of Tears. As far as I can tell, his line has always been part of the Cherokee Nation.

Considering our nation's history as it relates to Native Americans, I do find it deliciously ironic that certain present day non-Indians try to redefine who is or is not to be considered NA.

Here are some of the photos of Principal Chiefs of the Cherokee Nation. Note that these photos go back to to the 1800's. Principal Chiefs of the Cherokee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

BTW - Does anyone consider it wrong that most people consider Tiger Woods to be African American? Is he even "entitled" to call himself African American? If my 2nd great grandfather was sold into slavery after immediately disembarking from the ship that brought him from Africa, am I allowed to call myself African American or does it depend on the color of my skin or other stereotypical attributes?

Do not confuse race or color with ethnicity or identity.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:01 AM
 
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Apparently, the need to belong to a Group (Tribe) whether it be NA, White, Black, Irish, Italian, Mexican, American or other race or nationality is a necessary Human trait. It's basically part of our survival instinct. There is usually a Pride aspect that if not held in check can degenerate into group superiority and Racism.

Sorry, I digress.
Yes, those who have a strong need to belong to a group have to go with something other than "white," if possible, because pride in being "white" is not acceptable. So this man can have pride in his 3% NA, but not his 97% white.

Again, though, those who have posted about which generation the 1/32 comes from: you're a generation off! If his great-great grandmother was Cherokee, he is 1/16, not 1/32.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:23 AM
 
Location: Alaska
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The Current Chief of the Cherokee Nation is Bill John Baker and he is only 1/32nd native american. Is this enough to really identity yourself as a native american?

If someone told you they were only 1/32nd native american but identified as a native american would you find that strange at all?
I think it's up to each individual to define him/herself.

I wouldn't someone else to define me. Would you?
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:39 AM
 
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The Current Chief of the Cherokee Nation is Bill John Baker and he is only 1/32nd native american. Is this enough to really identity yourself as a native american?

If someone told you they were only 1/32nd native american but identified as a native american would you find that strange at all?
What I find "strange" is that here we are in the 21st century and there are still people who feel that this is even an issue.

Why are some of us still obsessed with racial classification anyway?

It really is a rather parochial and 20th century way of viewing people.
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Old 11-20-2012, 11:40 AM
 
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it's bloody ridiculous if you ask me.
I am 1/16 Mohawk which is twice as Indian
as this scammer. They do it for the benefits,
whatever those are. SCAM.
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