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Old 12-14-2012, 02:35 AM
 
Location: Warren, OH
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Default What are the Black Irish?

I know what they look like but why are they dark? I have heard that it was invasions from Spain, but my research says that has not been proven.

Any thoughts?
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Old 12-14-2012, 07:01 AM
 
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I know there was another whole thread on this topic not too long ago.
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Old 12-14-2012, 08:37 AM
 
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I know what they look like but why are they dark? I have heard that it was invasions from Spain, but my research says that has not been proven.

Any thoughts?
Most agree that it is highly unlikely there were enough Spanish Armada survivors to change the appearance of Ireland.

I think these people were descendants of the Basque region. There is a documentary "Blood of the Irish" where they found DNA in old bones from Ireland that matched DNA in Basque.
Blood of the Irish: DNA Proves Ancestry of the People of Ireland

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The latest research into Irish DNA has confirmed that the early inhabitants of Ireland were not directly descended from the Keltoi of central Europe. In fact the closest genetic relatives of the Irish in Europe are to be found in the north of Spain in the region known as the Basque Country.
Welsh people are also close genetically linked with Spain:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Galicia_(Spain)

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Old 12-14-2012, 08:52 AM
 
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My family always told me I was Black Irish. The majority of my family is or were (many have passed on now) from south coastal Ireland. The majority of us are very dark hair and brown or green eyes. Not the fair skinned Irish that one thinks of.

From what little research I have done on this subject. It would seem that the Black Irish are descendants of the Basque Region. Which is fine with me. We have to come from somewhere.
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Old 12-14-2012, 10:29 PM
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A thread on this subject exists:

What exactly is Black Irish?
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:03 PM
 
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There are no such thing as Black Irish. It was only a social term used for Irish people who were very dark-haired/black-haired or also darker-eyed, or also those who weren't as fair-complexioned as what an average Irish person looked like. However there is no scientific evidence that would separate the so-called "Black Irish" from other Irish people.
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Old 09-03-2013, 04:06 PM
 
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My family always told me I was Black Irish. The majority of my family is or were (many have passed on now) from south coastal Ireland. The majority of us are very dark hair and brown or green eyes. Not the fair skinned Irish that one thinks of.

From what little research I have done on this subject. It would seem that the Black Irish are descendants of the Basque Region. Which is fine with me. We have to come from somewhere.
It may be fine with you but they are not, since Basques are R1b-DF27 subclade, while Irish male predominantly belong to the R1b-L21, big difference. The south coastal Ireland has also one of the highest occurance of green-eyed people in Europe and the word, definitely not Basque.
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Old 09-03-2013, 06:39 PM
 
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I have black irish as well as French basque ancestry
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Old 01-02-2014, 10:01 AM
 
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These are non-Black Irish people. You see the pale complexion/freckles/red hair and blue/green eyes.


https://scontent-a-lhr.xx.fbcdn.net/...67274391_n.jpg

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Old 01-02-2014, 10:37 AM
 
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A moderator closed the other thread about Black Irish because people were making silly jokes instead of actually discussing the topic. If people are going to insert stupid pictures and dumb off topic remarks, don't bother as they will be deleted. Just stay on topic, please.
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