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Old 01-12-2013, 08:16 PM
 
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This is about my Great Grandmother who was German but born in Missouri. I can make out somethings but others are not so clear. The 1883 date is her birth the 1893 I don't know (possibly baptism?). It lists her father (Bachmann) and mother (Vogt). I found it interesting that they were able to still get German language documents in Missouri at this time. Also, what is with the Hebrew writing and the Jewish Star?

Any Clues or translation?
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Old 01-13-2013, 10:52 AM
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German and other non-English documents were common in the US until the early 1900s. Most of the printed items are bible verses that you can look up.
As for the handwriting, it's difficult to make out because it is handwritten and because the picture is small.

It is definitely a Christian document. As for why the symbols and lettering: you are aware of Christianity's historical ties with Jewish culture, no?
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Old 01-13-2013, 11:10 AM
 
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Default Baptismal certificate

The German "im Namen des Dreieinigen Gottes getauft worden", in English is "baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity/the Triune God".

"welches hierdurch bescheinigt wird" means "which is certified hereby".


Elizabeth ... born on October ... is on 13 August 1893 in ... ? ? Herrman Nische in Branchville, Mo. baptized in the name of the Holy Trinity.

http://boards.ancestry.com/localitie.../31357/mb.ashx

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Old 01-13-2013, 11:31 AM
 
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I'm guessing this is a Lutheran baptismal certificate?
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Old 01-13-2013, 12:47 PM
 
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I'm guessing this is a Lutheran baptismal certificate?
It wuld seem so--- but doesn't say so :+) Would have to compare & contrast with others to be sure. What a lot of interesting symbolism in the illustrations !

> Definitely a Lutheran Missouri Synod baptismal certificate. The minister J[ohn]W[illiam] Lehr was of that denomination with many articles mentioning him online.

Also -- Concordia Publishing - which catered to this denomination.

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Old 01-14-2013, 12:15 AM
 
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Thanks guys for all your input off to the links you guys posted. Yeah I thought all the symbolism was interesting as well.

Thanks Again!

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Old 01-18-2013, 12:07 AM
 
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My g-grandmother has her certificate written out as:

Name,
the daughter of father and mother, born name (what we term "nee")
born on date.
Baptized on date, witnesses names (godparents)
certified by Pastor

She was German Evangelical.

I have found many Germans were not baptized as babies; it really confused me - looked like it was a certificate issued and possibly changed. I looked it up; it wasn't. You have the same: baptism was evidently at about 10 years old.
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Old 01-18-2013, 11:06 AM
 
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My g-grandmother has her certificate written out as:

Name,
the daughter of father and mother, born name (what we term "nee")
born on date.
Baptized on date, witnesses names (godparents)
certified by Pastor

She was German Evangelical.

I have found many Germans were not baptized as babies; it really confused me - looked like it was a certificate issued and possibly changed. I looked it up; it wasn't. You have the same: baptism was evidently at about 10 years old.
Yeah, I thought that was wierd too. So the guy on the line below the 1883 date is a godparent or witness? What do you make of his last name? I get Nisch - is that right - '...Hermann Nisch in Brandsville Mo.'

EDIT: Just found this note online:

Brandsville: A small town in Howell Township, laid out in 1883 by the St. Louis and San Francisco Railroad and named for Michael Brand who owned 17,000 acres of land in Howell County, and gave the town site. Mr. Herman Wisch came with Mr. Branch (evidently Brand is meant), and they put in a store and many acres of apple, peach and grape orchards, and started a large sheep ranch. During the construction of the rail road, the place was known as Flag Pond because the large marsh plants grew in such abundance and the place was a shallow pond. (--Place Names.)

It is located at Sections 13, 14, 23, & 24, Township 23 N, Range 7 W, on Highways 63 & VV.H

Her father planted peaches on his land as well as other things - interesting.

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