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Old 08-29-2013, 07:49 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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Neanderthals had much denser bones and striated muscle than Cro-Magnons as they were designed for ''close kill'' however they (cro-magnon's) were vastly taller including that of todays modern humans (sapiens) and infact most Cro-Magnon females were by average taller than Neanderthal males.



I'm not sure if Neanderthals didn't have the intelligence to invent bow and arrows as their enviroment of living in the thickened forests of Europe ''probably'' wouldn't allow for that or the throwing of spears as for example when modern humans had firstly done so in the open savannahs of east Africa around 120,000 years ago. Neanderthals did have larger cranial capacities as the males averaged 1750 cc vs modern human males average 1350 cc (cro-magnon males 1600 cc) although they lacked our larger '''Frontal Lobe''' size needed for creativity, abstract thought etc.

Comparison of both modern Homo Sapiens and Neanderthal skulls.
Neanderthals and modern humans likely both developed from the same ancestor, and the scientific name is homo sapiens neanderous. But they migrated much earlier, when Europe was locked in ice. Their solid, powerful bodies and lower height were adapted to living in that climate. Homo sapiens did not have the intense drive and creative abilities when they first appeared either, but after a time period called 'the great squeeze' in which the entire human population may have dwindled to some thousand people, (when genetic EVE became the base) their near extention had remade them. Most surviving groups lived near the sea where fish were an available food and its believed the influence of the Omega 3 protiens had a massive effect. But post 'squeeze' humans are called homo sapiens sapiens.... wise wise man. They had began to make structured clothing and made needles to set it together. They likely used body decoration and wore jewelry. Their tools are decorated by symbols which may be magical and some simply believed to be there since the maker was proud of his work.

These are the humans who crossed out of Africa, and discovered Neanderthal living just beyond and by some means, likely peaceful, inter bred with them. As the diversity of Neanderthal genes is not only reflective of those found in that area, its believed that mixing occured in other areas as well.

What destroyed the Neandthal people was climate change. They were masters of the ice and cold, but in the hotter air had less stamina. The game they killed was effected as well, since large animals were at a greater disadvantage in a hotter world. They had already started to decline when modern humans started living among them. So in a sense but interbreeding their legacy was saved.

The role of Omega three nutrition has only of late become noted, but it is likely that the difference in diet between costal dwelling homo sapien squeeze survivors and ice and land dwelling neanderthanls may have effected the ability to fully diversify the brain.

Skeletons of individuals which seemed 'odd' and were shuffled away into museum basements are being looked at again as possible individuals with neanderthal in their recent petigree, and we are evidence that they lived.

We're only discovering how those genes might have made human post squeeze survival even more successful.
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Old 08-30-2013, 08:39 AM
 
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What destroyed the Neandthal people was climate change. They were masters of the ice and cold, but in the hotter air had less stamina. The game they killed was effected as well, since large animals were at a greater disadvantage in a hotter world. They had already started to decline when modern humans started living among them. So in a sense but interbreeding their legacy was saved.
Myself i'm a firm believer that Homo-Sapiens were vastly responsible for Neanderthals eventual demise as they had survived in europe for some 300,000 years (est) and then we show up around 40,000 BP and within 10,000 years they disappear forever 30,000 BP as well as two other species of homo e.g. the Denisovan's and Florsiensis. I don't believe that we warfared with them but instead we out competed them for vital resources (food, shelter etc.) within their local realms and so slowly displaced their already small numbers as large game (mammoths, cave lions, cave bears, giant elk etc.) did still exist well past their demise until the Younger Dryas event 13,000 BP.

As for the climate of europe when Neanderthals disappeared while there were periods of interstadials during the ''Last Glaciation Period'' however europe was still very much cold and covered by the two mile high ''Weichsel Glaciation Ice Cap'' covering most of northern europe until starting around 16,000 BP long after the neanderthals had disappeared.
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