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Old 09-01-2017, 09:27 AM
 
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My father's side is all Irish many generations back with stereotypical police men, boxers, railroad workers. Last names are solidly Irish. My great grandfather, whose parents were from Ireland, used to tell "racist" Scots jokes.

So my dad takes the DNA test and he is majority Scots.

His surname is Scottish in origin but it dates back in Ireland to before 1200 when Scots mercenaries brought it over.

So what gives? Was there a Scotsman in the woodpile?

Or is this typical of Celtic blood?
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Old 09-01-2017, 10:30 AM
 
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I discovered a Beloved Great Aunt wasn't the "spinster" we all thought she was. My mom always commented on how dedicated she was to her teaching career and never had time to marry.... found a Marriage certificate - never found divorce papers though she never changed her last name. looks like it only lasted 10 months or so - maybe annulled?
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Old 09-01-2017, 01:44 PM
 
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
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My father's side is all Irish many generations back with stereotypical police men, boxers, railroad workers. Last names are solidly Irish. My great grandfather, whose parents were from Ireland, used to tell "racist" Scots jokes.

So my dad takes the DNA test and he is majority Scots.

His surname is Scottish in origin but it dates back in Ireland to before 1200 when Scots mercenaries brought it over.

So what gives? Was there a Scotsman in the woodpile?

Or is this typical of Celtic blood?
What do you mean "he is majority Scots" on the DNA test? Which DNA test did he take? The majority of companies won't narrow it down as specifically as "Scotland" - that's because Scotland, England, Ireland, and Wales all share too much DNA to really be able to tell them apart with any accuracy.
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Old 09-01-2017, 01:51 PM
 
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What do you mean "he is majority Scots" on the DNA test? Which DNA test did he take? The majority of companies won't narrow it down as specifically as "Scotland" - that's because Scotland, England, Ireland, and Wales all share too much DNA to really be able to tell them apart with any accuracy.
He did family tree dna, but I don't have access to the report right now. But it showed like 70% Scotland and a much smaller % Ireland.
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Old 09-01-2017, 01:59 PM
 
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My father's side is all Irish many generations back with stereotypical police men, boxers, railroad workers. Last names are solidly Irish. My great grandfather, whose parents were from Ireland, used to tell "racist" Scots jokes.

So my dad takes the DNA test and he is majority Scots.

His surname is Scottish in origin but it dates back in Ireland to before 1200 when Scots mercenaries brought it over.

So what gives? Was there a Scotsman in the woodpile?

Or is this typical of Celtic blood?
I defer to PA2UK for the technical stuff. But can tell you that it was common for Scots to go back and forth to Ireland. And there were numerous times in history when large numbers of them moved to N. Ireland. From what I've read about Scots and Irish (incl Welsh), it's difficult to determine what exactly is Irish vs Scots DNA. Again, I'm kinda new at this stuff, so others will know more than me. But I know my own DNA supported by my genealogy research is a good example of this.
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Old 09-01-2017, 06:05 PM
 
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He did family tree dna, but I don't have access to the report right now. But it showed like 70% Scotland and a much smaller % Ireland.
I'm afraid FamilyTreeDNA doesn't provide that level of detail - they have a category for British Isles which includes Britain and Ireland, it is not broken down into Scotland vs Ireland.

AncestryDNA does divide Great Britain and Ireland, but it still does not specify Scotland separately, it's included in both categories. Additionally, there is great overlap between them - here is how they are defined:

Great Britain
Primarily located in: England, Scotland, Wales
Also found in: Ireland, France, Germany, Denmark, Belgium, Netherlands, Switzerland, Austria, Italy

Ireland
Primarily located in: Ireland, Wales, Scotland
Also found in: France, England

If he took the AncestryDNA test, then I would suggest that maybe he meant to say "British" instead of "Scottish" in reference to his DNA results. But if he definitely tested with FamilyTreeDNA, there is no way he could have gotten 70% Scotland and some % Ireland, FTDNA don't offer that.
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Old 09-01-2017, 08:48 PM
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I discovered a Beloved Great Aunt wasn't the "spinster" we all thought she was. My mom always commented on how dedicated she was to her teaching career and never had time to marry.... found a Marriage certificate - never found divorce papers though she never changed her last name. looks like it only lasted 10 months or so - maybe annulled?
Intriguing. Maybe she never wanted anyone else? Maybe other men wouldn't marry her if she was divorced? You got yourself a mystery there.
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Old 09-01-2017, 09:41 PM
 
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I discovered a Beloved Great Aunt wasn't the "spinster" we all thought she was. My mom always commented on how dedicated she was to her teaching career and never had time to marry.... found a Marriage certificate - never found divorce papers though she never changed her last name. looks like it only lasted 10 months or so - maybe annulled?
What happened to the husband? I found a second marriage for my husband's gggm. She then disappeared from records and her husband was living with his father, as documented in several city directories. It turns out she died about seven months after she remarried.
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Old 09-02-2017, 07:22 AM
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Location: Memphis - home of the king
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What happened to the husband? I found a second marriage for my husband's gggm. She then disappeared from records and her husband was living with his father, as documented in several city directories. It turns out she died about seven months after she remarried.
Those type marriages make me wonder if the survivor was a black widow or widower.
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Old 09-02-2017, 10:07 AM
 
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I lately discovered that I am 17% West Asian and 4% Middle Eastern. I was expecting something near 90% Eastern European because I have blue eyes and eventually 10% middle eastern.
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