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Old 06-25-2013, 02:45 PM
 
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Hi Everyone - I purchased the autosomal DNA kit from Ancestry.com, I then uploaded the raw data to FTDna, and I also submitted the raw data to Dr. McDonald for his analysis. A brief run down of what I was expecting:

Maternal Grandmother supposedly of Scottish descent, but never confirmed as I have not been able to document back to the ancestor who first came to the US
Maternal Granddather - unknown, my mother never knew him, was only told his last name was "Clark"

Paternal Grandmother - 100% Hungarian, well documented, although her father was from Bohemia
Paternal Grandfather - 100% Southern Italian, very well documented that both of his parents were from Campania region of Italy, documented to late 1700s.

Let's just say I would not be surprised if there were a NPE (non paternal event) somewhere in my paternal line.

AncestryDna results:

49% British Isles
20% Middle Eastern
21% Eastern European
10% Central European

FTDna PF results:

70.73% Orcadian
29.27% Middle Eastern (Palestinian, Bedouin, Jewish)

Dr. Doug McDonald:

This is the message he wrote me and I will attach the map and the graphs he attached:

“The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 74.3% (+- 9.6%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 25.7% (+- 9.6%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top

English= 0.673 Jewish= 0.327 or
French= 0.840 Turkish= 0.160 or
Germany= 0.643 Jewish= 0.357 or
Irish= 0.643 Sephardic= 0.357 or
Irish= 0.602 Jewish= 0.398 or
Hungary= 0.806 Sephardic= 0.194 or
English= 0.711 Sephardic= 0.289 or
Hungary= 0.779 Jewish= 0.221 or
French= 0.875 Iranian= 0.125 or
French= 0.862 Armenian= 0.138
Second most likely fit is 100% Europe (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Sicily= 0.241 Hungary= 0.759 or
Tuscan= 0.360 Hungary= 0.640 or
Sicily= 0.421 Irish= 0.579 or
Tuscan= 0.565 Irish= 0.435 or
French= 0.370 Romania= 0.630 or
Tuscan= 0.590 Poland= 0.410 or
Sicily= 0.447 Poland= 0.553 or
English= 0.218 Romania= 0.782 or
Sicily= 0.347 English= 0.653 or
Tuscan= 0.656 Lithuania= 0.344

Since you expect a three-fold (at least) mix, I did a custom fit:

Russian 0.0722 French 0.7901 Georgian 0.1376 or
French 0.7398 Romania 0.1337 Adygei 0.1265 or
English 0.6382 Romania 0.1843 Armenian 0.1775 or
English 0.6192 Finland 0.0907 Cypriot 0.2901 or
Irish 0.4643 Tuscan 0.4660 Adygei 0.0698 or
Germany 0.3786 Spain 0.4744 Adygei 0.1470 or
French 0.7230 Hungary 0.1335 Adygei 0.1434 or
English 0.6107 Hungary 0.1702 Armenian 0.2191 or
Irish 0.5236 Tuscan 0.3636 Armenian 0.1128 or
Irish 0.4951 Tuscan 0.4309 Georgian 0.0741”


If anyone wants to give their opinions on what my Primary ancestry is looking to be, or any input in general as far as whether or not it looks consistent with my paternal lines, I would great appreciate it. I'm new to this and reading up on how to interpret results, but it gets confusing with the plethora of info out there. Thanks so much!
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Old 06-26-2013, 09:35 AM
 
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What are the haplogroups that's been assigned to you? For example (paternal) Y-DNA R1b1b2a1c.

Not having seen the haplogroups and i'm strictly speculating here although certain countries do have different haplogrouping percentages compared with others and so i'm going to guess that on your mothers Scottish side you'll possibly belong to mtDNA haplogroup H2 with lesser chance of either U, T or J.

On your fathers southern Italian side i'm guessing that he's either the J2 or E1b1b with R1b being the distant third choice.
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Old 06-26-2013, 10:49 AM
 
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Six Foot Three - thank you so much for the input, I really appreciate it! How do I see my Haplogroup? Does the autosomal test determine that or would I have had to have taken an MT test?
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Old 06-26-2013, 11:00 AM
 
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I think the problem might be that you used an ancestry DNA company, not one designed to provide "deep" DNA results, which would tell you which haplogroups you belong to. Interesting that you have some significant ancestry from the Caucasus. That might by Hg G (if you're male). Don't DNA tests usually follow either the male line exclusively, or the female line, depending on the gender of the subject?
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Old 06-26-2013, 12:17 PM
 
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I think the problem might be that you used an ancestry DNA company, not one designed to provide "deep" DNA results, which would tell you which haplogroups you belong to. Interesting that you have some significant ancestry from the Caucasus. That might by Hg G (if you're male). Don't DNA tests usually follow either the male line exclusively, or the female line, depending on the gender of the subject?
There is now autosomal testing that can find genetically related people in all lines for men and women. It does also provide haplogroup information.
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Old 06-26-2013, 01:42 PM
 
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Six Foot Three - thank you so much for the input, I really appreciate it! How do I see my Haplogroup? Does the autosomal test determine that or would I have had to have taken an MT test?
Confetticake

I should had caught it when you'd stated ''Autosomal'' as I haven't studied that type of genetic testing and so others on here who have would be a better source of info for you than from myself. However that being said I have studied extensively the European Paternal (Y-dna) and Maternal (mtDNA) lineages and so looking at your ''Chromosome View'' map that you'd posted earlier it does show that you have around 25% ''middle eastern'' SNP's and so even though you have no Y-DNA haplogroup I still have a few clues for you.

O.k. when looking at the paternal genes of Italian heritage that have a high percentage of ''Middle East'' SNPs that tells me that there's a very good chance that you ''may'' have Etruscan bloodline (G2a) on your fathers side who were the dominate peoples of Central/Southern Italy 1,100 b.c. - 509 b.c. before the advent of the Romans. Before that they are believed to have inhabited the ancient coastal Anatolian city of Smyrna under the control of the powerful Hittite Kingdom.

So since almost all female European lineages are ancient (paleolithic, mesolithic) then we can assume that your mothers maternal ancestors have been inhabiting Europe probably since the Gravettian Cultured peoples 30,000 b.c. - 20,000 b.c. and if your father's paternal lineage is indeed Etruscan then you are a very recient arrived ''Non'' Indo European on the male side.

If you ever do have the Y-dna test done then I sure hope that you'll let me know what that haplogroup is as now you have me curious as to either how close or how far off I am in guessing as to what your fathers lineage is .


Six

Last edited by Six Foot Three; 06-26-2013 at 02:03 PM..
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Old 06-26-2013, 05:55 PM
 
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Default Your results may be wrong

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Originally Posted by confetticake View Post
Hi Everyone - I purchased the autosomal DNA kit from Ancestry.com, I then uploaded the raw data to FTDna, and I also submitted the raw data to Dr. McDonald for his analysis. A brief run down of what I was expecting:

Maternal Grandmother supposedly of Scottish descent, but never confirmed as I have not been able to document back to the ancestor who first came to the US
Maternal Granddather - unknown, my mother never knew him, was only told his last name was "Clark"

Paternal Grandmother - 100% Hungarian, well documented, although her father was from Bohemia
Paternal Grandfather - 100% Southern Italian, very well documented that both of his parents were from Campania region of Italy, documented to late 1700s.

Let's just say I would not be surprised if there were a NPE (non paternal event) somewhere in my paternal line.

AncestryDna results:

49% British Isles
20% Middle Eastern
21% Eastern European
10% Central European

FTDna PF results:

70.73% Orcadian
29.27% Middle Eastern (Palestinian, Bedouin, Jewish)

Dr. Doug McDonald:

This is the message he wrote me and I will attach the map and the graphs he attached:
“The automated computer results are as follows.
Please read the attached .rtf file for an explanation of how to
interpret all the data and plots. Both can be misleading without interpretation.

Most likely fit is 74.3% (+- 9.6%) Europe (various subcontinents)
and 25.7% (+- 9.6%) Mideast (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top

English= 0.673 Jewish= 0.327 or
French= 0.840 Turkish= 0.160 or
Germany= 0.643 Jewish= 0.357 or
Irish= 0.643 Sephardic= 0.357 or
Irish= 0.602 Jewish= 0.398 or
Hungary= 0.806 Sephardic= 0.194 or
English= 0.711 Sephardic= 0.289 or
Hungary= 0.779 Jewish= 0.221 or
French= 0.875 Iranian= 0.125 or
French= 0.862 Armenian= 0.138
Second most likely fit is 100% Europe (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Sicily= 0.241 Hungary= 0.759 or
Tuscan= 0.360 Hungary= 0.640 or
Sicily= 0.421 Irish= 0.579 or
Tuscan= 0.565 Irish= 0.435 or
French= 0.370 Romania= 0.630 or
Tuscan= 0.590 Poland= 0.410 or
Sicily= 0.447 Poland= 0.553 or
English= 0.218 Romania= 0.782 or
Sicily= 0.347 English= 0.653 or
Tuscan= 0.656 Lithuania= 0.344

Since you expect a three-fold (at least) mix, I did a custom fit:

Russian 0.0722 French 0.7901 Georgian 0.1376 or
French 0.7398 Romania 0.1337 Adygei 0.1265 or
English 0.6382 Romania 0.1843 Armenian 0.1775 or
English 0.6192 Finland 0.0907 Cypriot 0.2901 or
Irish 0.4643 Tuscan 0.4660 Adygei 0.0698 or
Germany 0.3786 Spain 0.4744 Adygei 0.1470 or
French 0.7230 Hungary 0.1335 Adygei 0.1434 or
English 0.6107 Hungary 0.1702 Armenian 0.2191 or
Irish 0.5236 Tuscan 0.3636 Armenian 0.1128 or
Irish 0.4951 Tuscan 0.4309 Georgian 0.0741”


If anyone wants to give their opinions on what my Primary ancestry is looking to be, or any input in general as far as whether or not it looks consistent with my paternal lines, I would great appreciate it. I'm new to this and reading up on how to interpret results, but it gets confusing with the plethora of info out there. Thanks so much!

I am considering getting one of these tests. I found a comparison chart of autosomal dna tests on
Autosomal DNA testing comparison chart - ISOGG Wiki 23andme might be the best.
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Old 06-26-2013, 07:41 PM
 
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Thanks everyone for the input, and Six thank you so much for that information!! I think I'm going to have my Dad take the Y test and I will definitely let you know the outcome!
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