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Old 11-13-2007, 05:25 PM
Location: Gulfport, MS
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Originally Posted by njkate View Post
Thanks....I'm assuming then my brother if tested can get the whole picture
Well, you'll find out what your father's father's father's father etc. Y chromosome line was. It's most useful in surname projects (http://www.dnalist.net/ - broken link), to make connections between two families with the same surname. Let's say your male-line ancestor's last name was Smith, and he lived in a town with another Smith family. Are the two Smith families related? If your brother compares his Y chromosome to the Y chromosome of a male descent of the second Smith family, and they match, then the two Smith families are indeed related. This means the two Smith patriarchs share a common male ancestor (they might be brothers or cousins, even very distant cousins, but somewhere along the line they're related). This technique helped to prove that my VAN ZANDT ancestor was a member of a certain VAN ZANDT family. There was no documentary proof that he was related to them, but DNA proved that he shared a common male ancestor with the VAN ZANDT family.

Doing this with mtDNA is harder, because women changed their surnames over the course of their lives. But there are mtDNA databases where you can match your mtDNA to other people. That means they share a common matrilineal ancestress with you. SMGF will test you for free, albeit it takes FOREVER for them to post the results.

Keep in mind these tests will only show you the DNA of a very few of your many thousands of ancestors! You could get male descendants of your mother's father tested, and female descendants of your father's mother's father's mother tested, etc.

As long as we're on the subject of genealogical myths, my pet peeve is the "Cherokee Princess" story! The Cherokees never had any princesses. It seems every family has some story about a Cherokee (or ocassionally Choctaw) princess and that somehow this makes them entitled to casino money. Argh! Sometimes there wasn't any Indian ancestor at all and sometimes this "Indian princess" was really just a code term for a black ancestor. I have found FPOC (free people of color) ancestors, but no Cherokees or Choctaws!
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Old 11-13-2007, 05:53 PM
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Re spelling: I've found those kinds of differences as well. I've also noticed that sometimes the person interpreting the handwriting on the census wasn't versed in how to read handwriting. Of course, some of the censustakers had such gorgeous handwriting, while others had horrible penmanship!

Don't you just love the 1900 census? How many pregnancies versus how many living children and month and year of birth--whoohoo!
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Old 11-18-2007, 08:32 AM
Location: Mesa, Az
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The National Geographic people received my 2 DNA samples (matrilineal and patrilineal) a couple of days back: time to wait and wonder.
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Old 11-20-2007, 02:16 PM
Location: Lovelock, NV - Anchorage, AK
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I thought that I wanted to do a family tree but then I found out that on my birth mother's side (they divorced when I as a year old and father raised us) all of them were sex offenders mostly with little kids and that absolutely discus me. I recently met a half sister that was partially raised by my birth mother and I'm so thankful that my father raised us. I can't even imagine the idea of putting something together, my kids are not even interested in learning about them and the more I learn the more I wish I didn't know
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Old 11-24-2007, 06:57 PM
Location: Salt Lake City, Utah
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For me I have a few mysteries in my Family history:

1. I know when my 4th great grandmother Phoebe Martin was born and died but I can't find her burial location and she has been dead since 1905.

2. I have never been able to find out where my great grandmothers family (Asay) came from. The earliest recoird we have of the Asays is Joseph Asay Jr, born in 1771 in Asay Springs, New Jersey. However my aunt discovered a possible Asay family crest and a poem about the family history written by an Asay cousin. There is also an Azay, France that we believe is where they came from as well as Rome, Italy.

3. We have never been able to determine whether my great great grandfather, Jacob Lehi Curtis was marshall of Moroni, Utah.
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Old 11-25-2007, 05:43 AM
Location: Camberville
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I'm really lucky with my family that there is a geneology society dedicated to my father's family. When he started getting into geneology, all he did was write to them, pay a little fee, and they sent him the family tree as far back as they had researched! It's amazing and I love looking over it to see how so many names I would consider somewhat "modern" were used as far back as the 1600s!

There are a lot of road blocks in my family tree:

1. Quite a bit of my family history is just not there. My grandmother has never revealed to my dad who his father is. I keep bugging him to prod her for the information (if she even knows... there is no name on the birth certificate) before she dies as her health is poor, but he won't do it- and I'm not close enough to her to be in the position to ask. Also, she herself was illigitimate and does not know who her father was. So essentially, my father only has information about the family history of his maternal grandmother.

2. My maternal grandfather's father immigrated to the country illegally fleeing the Red Army in Russia. My grandfather was basically an anchor baby and then my great grandfather passed away. My grandpa is actively researching and plans on sending me and a few cousins to Ukraine to research (a la Everything is Illuminated), but we don't know how much we will find.

3. There weren't exactly records in the shtetls of Ukraine around the turn of the century so it's hard to trace back before then. My mother's maternal relatives had their last name changed, but we're not sure what it was from (became Marcus and Brown). My mother's paternal side are the only Pevna in the country- but Pevna is generally a Czech name and the name of a Polish town, so we're not entirely sure how they ended up in Kiev.
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Old 11-25-2007, 04:42 PM
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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My brick wall is my GrGrandfather on my Father's mother's side. He was supposidly born in GA around 1871. His name is Charles Howard ROWELL. He was born out of wedlock. No records exist for him prior to 1900 when he was already and adult and married. It has always been a BIG family secret. His mother claimed his father was a "Hawaiian Prince" yah right...Of course at that time indians had no rights so no one would claim indian blood. Recently I had ethnology DNA testing done and based on that he was indian. Family rummor has it that the name ROWELL was "borrowed" We've been unable to trace his mother as we do not know what last name she was using.

I've hired a pro geneologist and she's about as stumped as I am.

I will continue to search as I would like to know my tribal heritage.

I also have another brick wall on my mother's side thru her father his grandfather was born somewhere in Canada in 1822. The big trick is WHERE in Canada. I also suspect that his mother was indian or mixed blood indian based on the history at the time...very few white woman. And the country was still run by the Fur Trading Companies. This year I've joined Ancestry.com to see if I can find anything but nothing yet.
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Old 11-26-2007, 12:19 PM
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returning: Is your ancestory french canadian?

It was very common for french canadians to intermarry with native women. I have a cree ancestor. Cree is part of the algonquin tribes. Algonquins were aligned with the french. Iroquois aligned with the british. There is a whole culture of "intermarriage" named metis in quebec.

It was also very common for the cherokee tribe to intermarry.
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:40 PM
Location: Stuck in NE GA right now
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Gardner, I don't know if they were French (my mother said French but that was excuse for my dark features)...The last name they came to the US with is NORRIS, however that could have easly been anglizied from noreys ect.

Based on the time frame (1822) my best guess is they were of mixed blood. I would love to find someone in Canada or who knows more about Canadian geneaology of that time frame.

I'm familar with the Metis culture, but I can't PROVE anything.
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Old 11-26-2007, 03:48 PM
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Yes, the french canadian names were often mispelled, I have had difficulties researching because of the "creativity" - often phonetic spellings.

You have to know the region in quebec they are from. Often the french canadians were roman catholic - and the churches kept good records.

I may have to pay a researcher for this "brick wall".
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