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Old 07-20-2013, 06:19 AM
Location: Way South of the Volvo Line
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Actually, you are BOTH correct. Russia is in Europe AND Asia.

What Continent is Russia in? – Siberian Light

Old 07-20-2013, 06:28 AM
Location: Jersey
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Race means a lot of things in the West. It's a broad concept that covers cultural background, a physical phenotype, geographic origin, and there's perhaps a scientific(and pseudo-scientific) component to it well. The concept developed largely due to the political, cultural, and later on pseudo-scientific and scientific considerations. In the US, being "White" meant that you were a member(in full standing) of American society and enjoyed all of rights and privileges that went along with it(in theory, it didn't always work that way). However, since race is such a vague concept(even though to the average person who's been culturally conditioned to think within it's constructs, it's fairly obvious), there was always a problem of definition and establishing objective parameters.

The reason why people from the Middle East are considered "White/Caucasian" in the US is because of political considerations( Middle-Eastern Christians and Jews lobbied for Middle Easterners to be "White" to enjoy the full benefits of America) and the fact that there was no scientific basis(if there is one for race in the context of race in American culture) to not classify people from the Middle East as Caucasians. Hence, while you might not consider yourself to be White and/or considered to be White in the American social context, you are legally White/Caucasian.

Personally, I don't believe you should let yourself be bothered by it. It's just a box that the government wants you to check and doesn't dictate who you are as an individual. Chromatic identities are rather silly.

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Old 07-20-2013, 06:29 AM
Location: The New England part of Ohio
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First of all, race is a social construct, as another poster pointed out. But it exists.

"Arabs" include people from and Syria and Lebanon. They are "white". So are those from Saudi Arabia, Afghanistan and Iran, etc.

Israelis are from the same general area, and are also "white", but are not "Arab".
Old 07-20-2013, 08:39 AM
Location: Vineland, NJ
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When you think about it, the white European population in this country is a lot smaller than people think. It sure isn't 65% of the population.
Old 07-20-2013, 10:03 AM
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Reminds me of a true story.

I worked in the admitting office of a southern hospital. The form had a box for RACE. You used W for white, C for Colored and O for other. At some point. someone decided that C wasn't right. We should used B for black.

Force of habit caused a lot of mistakes. One day, someone called me from the floor and blessed me out for letting my clerks use C. (Yep, force of habit mistake.) She intended to report me...blah, blah, blah! So I told her that she had it all wrong. C stood for Caucasian, and W meant Whatever else. Then I hung up. Don't know what she thought, but I never heard anymore about it.
Old 07-20-2013, 11:15 AM
Location: God's Gift to Mankind for flying anything
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This is how I (I am a light-brownface) *solved* the problem.
Anytime I fill in some form, I enter *human* for *race*.

Only once were there questions ...
I asked the person in charge what I should enter.
She asked me where I was born and then she took a long look at me, and kept the entry I used ...

Another true story.
HR person comes by.
Asks me what race I am.
I ask *why do you need to know* ?
Answer: We need to fill our quota for minorities.
I ask *what are you short off, fill in that answer yourself* ?
Answer: I can not do that, that is not honest.
I answer with: *You really think they are double checking* ?
She left, and I never heard of her anymore about this item ...
Old 07-20-2013, 01:14 PM
Location: State of Transition
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Originally Posted by Dub D View Post
Not 100% sure if this is the proper forum. If not, can a mod please move?

Anywho, I'm Arab so I'm not some angry racist.

When I fill out applications, I have to list myself as white. I don't "feel" white. None of my friends consider me white either.

I'm Arab with some Turkish (which most people think is Arab anyways). To most people, I don't look Arab. I have a Christian first name and my last name looks more Italian than Arab. When I went to Europe, when I was in Spain, France, Italy, and Greece random people came up to me in the native tongue. So I'm not a super Arab guy but it kind of gets to me cause I know if I ask my white friends they'll say, "you ain't white."

I know it has to do with the skull shape and language but I don't think its fair. I feel like a minority but I get treated like I'm part of the majority when I'm really not.
Jews are considered White. Therefore, all Semitic peoples fall into the same category. What else would Arabs be, if not White? What category would you propose? Unless a new category is created, the only other option would be "Asian". The term "Oriental" is no longer used to indicate ethnicity.
Old 07-20-2013, 01:17 PM
Location: State of Transition
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Originally Posted by Dub D View Post
The term "Oriental" use to mean Middle Eastern about 700 years ago before trade routes with China really started.

The term "white" is so damn relative and racist really. When the Irsh came to America, they weren't really considered white. Same thing with the Italians. It took a new, more different looking ethnicity for those groups to become considered "white".
If there had been a national census at the time, they would have been.
Old 07-20-2013, 02:36 PM
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I guess the amount of people in the USA of Arab origin isn't large enough for them to have actually created a separate category racially for that group of people.
Old 07-20-2013, 03:11 PM
Location: Not where I want to be
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Originally Posted by gwillyfromphilly View Post
I think the census needs some have sort of Middle Eastern category that separates them from Europeans and Africans. If Pacific Islanders can be considered a distinct race group then why not people in Western Asia?
If "Middle Eastern" is listed on any category, you can best believe people are going to complain and say it's a way to "spy" on Middle Easterners or accuse them of being terrorists.

I never answer those race/ethnicity questions on any applications. There's no need for anyone to know that and if it's for a job, they'll find out when they call me in for an interview.
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