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Old 12-15-2015, 09:20 PM
 
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Did he DNA test? How does he know it's this much? Or does he have a relative he knows to be mixed?
We only found out via a DNA test. There is absolutely zero "evidence" otherwise. He is a blonde haired, blue eyed Ayran sort.

But why does that even matter?
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Old 12-15-2015, 09:21 PM
 
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I used her father as a example. He crossed over. He only told his daughter Carol Channing because he didnt want her to be shocked if she had a black child. Did you read about Carol Channing? She had the story in her book.
Yes, I read about her but my question still remains - why would she be considered "black" by some people? She doesn't self identify as "black," and she wasn't raised in an African American family.
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Old 12-15-2015, 09:24 PM
 
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No more than President Obama having a White Mother makes him White.... Its well documented in this country that one drop made you Black. I am not saying I agree with it. I didnt make the rule. Google it. If you had any amount of Black blood during slavery time made you a slave/Black. Thomas Jefferson had children by his wife's half sister who was a slave. Sally Hemming was 75% white. SHe was the illigitimate child of Jefferson's father in law. She was given to Jefferson and his wife as a "gift/property" . She was a slave. She had several children with President Jefferson. They all was born into slavery although they had very little African blood , hence one drop rule.

.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/One-drop_rule
Obama is biracial. It's his choice to self identify as black and I'm OK with that since it's his choice, but the man is biracial. He is of at least 50 percent European ancestry.

There is no "rule." other than an outdated, racist rule that has no legal or moral standing in the 21st century. The "one drop rule" is antiquated and frankly I find it ridiculous.

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Old 12-15-2015, 09:27 PM
 
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Ok, so Channing was born in 1921. She was legally considered a Negro (and probably identified as such on her birth certificate) until at least 1950 had she not "passed".

IMO, this IS a big deal. If the public had learned that she was a Negro, her career would have been destroyed. It must have been very difficult living a life with this secret hanging over head. Personally, I don't want this part of history erased or minimized by the modern concept of "self identification".

Disclosure: My great grandmother passed. My great grandfather abandoned her and their children when he found out she was not "white". Those were difficult and sometimes vicious times. I'm not so willing to casually say "so what?".
She wasn't "a Negro." She was biracial. But I'm not talking about "erasing history" or minimizing the horrors of Jim Crow and slavery and it's legacy. I'm talking about keeping those horrors and prejudices in the past where they belong, instead of trotting them out as if they have any validity in today's world, which - for all it's faults - is more enlightened and accepting when it comes to issues of ethnicity.

My kids are biracial. My grandkids are multiracial. I say "so what?" and roll my eyes when someone tries to pull the One Drop Rule out of the hat. I think it's morally repulsive myself and will have no part of it. I am not going to support categorizing people by the color of their skin. Like someone else much wiser than I said before, I prefer to judge them on the content of their character.

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Old 12-15-2015, 09:53 PM
 
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Funny you should ask that, because my father was from Greece. His family has been there since time began.
My mother's family came over in 1875, well documented, from Genoa, Italy. Course, my great grandmother, grandmother and mother all married non-Italians which diluted the nationality.

What is meant by "background" for my ethnic groups?

Greece had a very heavy presence in Egypt if you look back in history. They conquered Egypt, ruled it, and built the great city of Alexandria. Rome also ruled it for a while. Egypt may lie on the northern border of the massive African continent technically, but it's primary influences have been through Europe and the Middle East.


Another angle to look at since you have Greek and Italian blood.
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:41 AM
 
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Obama is biracial. It's his choice to self identify as black and I'm OK with that since it's his choice, but the man is biracial. He is of at least 50 percent European ancestry.

There is no "rule." other than an outdated, racist rule that has no legal or moral standing in the 21st century. The "one drop rule" is antiquated and frankly I find it ridiculous.
Well we do not know what his mother or father Dna reads. I have a cousin both his parents are Black. Yet his DNA read 38 percent Sub saharian.I look forward to getting my dna results back. I know my maternal side is a mixed group but I am not too familaiar with my father's side.
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:52 AM
 
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Yes, I read about her but my question still remains - why would she be considered "black" by some people? She doesn't self identify as "black," and she wasn't raised in an African American family.
I didnt say she was Black. My point is there were many "mixed" people who crossed over for a easier life , etc. I used her family as a point because her grandfather did exactly that. She stated she chose to identify White as it was her choice the same as the President. Only people who would consider her Black is those who still believe in the one drop rule. The same people who would have issue with the President identifying as White. My opinion it a personal choice. Most biracial people I know say they are more accepted in the Black community. That is their opinion not mine just to be clear. I have a very mixed family. I accept everyone as my family and people in general as human beings.https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Passing_(racial_identity)
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Old 12-16-2015, 06:57 AM
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Well we do not know what his mother or father Dna reads. I have a cousin both his parents are Black. Yet his DNA read 38 percent Sub saharian.I look forward to getting my dna results back. I know my maternal side is a mixed group but I am not too familaiar with my father's side.
His father was a Luo from kenya a Nilotec people(generally quite dark and tall). Take a look at the link tell me if you think these Luo look 38% Sub-Saharan.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...r_20014319.jpg

Picture of Barack Obamas father. Too dark to have any significant percentage of admixture in my opinion.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ama%2C_Sr..jpg
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Old 12-16-2015, 10:13 AM
 
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His father was a Luo from kenya a Nilotec people(generally quite dark and tall). Take a look at the link tell me if you think these Luo look 38% Sub-Saharan.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...r_20014319.jpg

Picture of Barack Obamas father. Too dark to have any significant percentage of admixture in my opinion.

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...ama%2C_Sr..jpg
I have learned you can not determine how much of a mixutre based on a person complexion. I have seen Biracial twin come out different shades. For example actor Don Cheadle who is 20% white. Condolezza rice who is 50%. Plus no one knows what his mothers DNA is either. Just my opinion.http://nypost.com/2015/03/02/meet-th...s-are-sisters/
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Old 12-16-2015, 10:22 AM
 
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Disclosure: My great grandmother passed. My great grandfather abandoned her and their children when he found out she was not "white". Those were difficult and sometimes vicious times. I'm not so willing to casually say "so what?".
My great grandfather passed (as Portuguese rather than as someone of Cape Verdean heritage). My great grandmother knew, accepted him, but she went out of her way to make sure both of her children -- my grandmother and great aunt -- passed. My great aunt didn't always look white, but my grandmother can pass as Irish. You can guess which child was praised as the "beautiful" one for being light skinned and straight haired.
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