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Old 09-12-2015, 07:25 PM
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African in Jews is mostly ancient East African and is shared with all Middle Easterners. It is not even known if the people who contributed this ancestry to them looked "black" in the modern sense.

If you want to see mine or my mom's GEDMatch scores or FTDNA or any other and you can try to determine which African region you think it links to, I can send them to you via message. Professor Doug McDonald who analyzes some people's DNA said Mandenka was my best match at 1.6% of my DNA (which puts my mother at over 3%) but not all estimates go that high.
I don't believe I can give you more specific info. than you already have your information is already quite specific from everything that I've read regarding the history and what I've looked at as far as DNA I think Dr. McDonald is right on the money with the Mandinka.

This is what Mandinka music sounds like.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA8WJsBMd3w
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Old 09-12-2015, 08:08 PM
 
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I don't believe I can give you more specific info. than you already have your information is already quite specific from everything that I've read regarding the history and what I've looked at as far as DNA I think Dr. McDonald is right on the money with the Mandinka.

This is what Mandinka music sounds like.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=HA8WJsBMd3w
This is what he gave me, I'll just show you this.

Most likely fit is 98.1% (+- 0.6%) Europe (all Southern Europe)
and 1.9% (+- 0.6%) Africa (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Italian= 0.984 Mandenka= 0.016
Italian= 0.984 Yoruba= 0.016
Italian= 0.984 Bantu Ke= 0.016
Italian= 0.985 Bantu So= 0.015
Italian= 0.976 Ethiopia= 0.024
Italian= 0.970 Ethiopia= 0.030
Italian= 0.971 Ethiopia= 0.029
Italian= 0.981 Maasai= 0.019
Italian= 0.987 Biaka Py= 0.013
Italian= 0.990 Mbuti Py= 0.010
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Old 09-12-2015, 09:04 PM
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This is what he gave me, I'll just show you this.

Most likely fit is 98.1% (+- 0.6%) Europe (all Southern Europe)
and 1.9% (+- 0.6%) Africa (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Italian= 0.984 Mandenka= 0.016
Italian= 0.984 Yoruba= 0.016
Italian= 0.984 Bantu Ke= 0.016
Italian= 0.985 Bantu So= 0.015
Italian= 0.976 Ethiopia= 0.024
Italian= 0.970 Ethiopia= 0.030
Italian= 0.971 Ethiopia= 0.029
Italian= 0.981 Maasai= 0.019
Italian= 0.987 Biaka Py= 0.013
Italian= 0.990 Mbuti Py= 0.010
That's interesting pretty much all of the groups I mentioned are represented there the Maasai share a significant amount of DNA with Cu****ic groups like the Ethiopians and Eritreans and some of the groups in Cameroon carry Biaka pygymy DNA.
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Old 09-12-2015, 09:05 PM
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This is what he gave me, I'll just show you this.

Most likely fit is 98.1% (+- 0.6%) Europe (all Southern Europe)
and 1.9% (+- 0.6%) Africa (various subcontinents)

The following are possible population sets and their fractions,
most likely at the top
Italian= 0.984 Mandenka= 0.016
Italian= 0.984 Yoruba= 0.016
Italian= 0.984 Bantu Ke= 0.016
Italian= 0.985 Bantu So= 0.015
Italian= 0.976 Ethiopia= 0.024
Italian= 0.970 Ethiopia= 0.030
Italian= 0.971 Ethiopia= 0.029
Italian= 0.981 Maasai= 0.019
Italian= 0.987 Biaka Py= 0.013
Italian= 0.990 Mbuti Py= 0.010
That's interesting pretty much all of the groups I mentioned are represented there the Maasai share a significant amount of DNA with Cu****e groups like the Ethiopians and Eritreans and some of the groups in Cameroon carry Biaka pygymy DNA.
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Old 09-12-2015, 10:05 PM
 
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That's interesting pretty much all of the groups I mentioned are represented there the Maasai share a significant amount of DNA with Cu****e groups like the Ethiopians and Eritreans and some of the groups in Cameroon carry Biaka pygymy DNA.
So based on this, if you had to guess an African country for that part of me, what would it be? He was the one to predict 3% Western African for my mother. Does Senegal seem right?

What is interesting to me is that when we compare parents' results to their children, it is often NOT split halfway down the middle unlike what we think. I think you can inherit more of one grandparent than another, even if you get 50/50 from both parents.
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Old 09-12-2015, 10:51 PM
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So based on this, if you had to guess an African country for that part of me, what would it be? He was the one to predict 3% Western African for my mother. Does Senegal seem right?

What is interesting to me is that when we compare parents' results to their children, it is often NOT split halfway down the middle unlike what we think. I think you can inherit more of one grandparent than another, even if you get 50/50 from both parents.

It is more likely the the sub-Saharan part of your DNA comes from various sources but the Mandinka are the best fit because the greatest proportion of your DNA comes from that tribe. It is difficult to guess a country because they are the descendants of the Mali empire that overlapped the current borders of various countries from that region. It is more likely that slaves came from the interior with the current country of Mali being a possibility along with Senegal, Gambia, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau.

Link to ethnic groups of Senegal.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethnic_groups_in_Senegal

It is possible your mother carries more than 3% West African mine carries 2% East African per myOrigins and I carry 0%(well less than 0.5%)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mali_Empire

From what I'm reading Takrur which is in present day Senegal was conquered by Mali in the year 1285 Mandinka did settle there but I believe that area was more heavily populated with Fula.

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Old 09-12-2015, 11:19 PM
 
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That would make sense. Interestingly, Mandinka make up the majority of Gambia. Maybe that would be a place of origin? I'd assume the Portuguese did not venture very far inland and just captured most of their slaves on the coasts (though I suppose it is possible they came from further inland).

Interestingly, there is a lot of Senegambian ancestry in the Dominican Republic, as well as in the Melungeons, a biracial genetic isolate group in the southern US.
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Old 09-12-2015, 11:46 PM
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That would make sense. Interestingly, Mandinka make up the majority of Gambia. Maybe that would be a place of origin? I'd assume the Portuguese did not venture very far inland and just captured most of their slaves on the coasts (though I suppose it is possible they came from further inland).

Interestingly, there is a lot of Senegambian ancestry in the Dominican Republic, as well as in the Melungeons, a biracial genetic isolate group in the southern US.
It isn't likely the Portuguese were capturing many slaves off the coasts the slaves were primarily captured by African themselves in raids and wars and then traded along the coast with the Portuguese.

The Melungeons are an interesting group I believe the result of freed indentured women with origins in the isles mixing with West African freed slaves.
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Old 09-13-2015, 12:16 AM
 
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The Melungeons are an interesting group I believe the result of freed indentured women with origins in the isles mixing with West African freed slaves.
People who have seen photos of my Cape Verdean relatives said they looked like Melungeons. I have seen some who do. I suspect multigenerational mixes of European and African can produce that look.
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Old 09-13-2015, 12:44 AM
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People who have seen photos of my Cape Verdean relatives said they looked like Melungeons. I have seen some who do. I suspect multigenerational mixes of European and African can produce that look.
Cape Verdeans are almost all mixed the typical person is about 50% European and 50% African many of them are good looking.

These are Cape Verdean women.

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/003...one_xlarge.png

http://solarey.net/wp-content/upload...iana-Silva.jpg

http://ethnicelebs.com/wp-content/up...12139small.jpg

http://i989.photobucket.com/albums/a...de/3123252.jpg

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YYE3iOSWjQ.../s_lubrano.jpg
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