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Old 08-08-2013, 05:45 AM
 
Location: Zurich
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White people alway talk about their Native American ancestry, so I can't see why black people can't talk about their mixed genes. The one drop rule has made us all think that if you claim anything other than black then you are a hypocrite.

 
Old 08-08-2013, 06:56 AM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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they could but thanks to the one drop rule which still pretty much kind of influences things, they probably couldn't without some sort of hassle
Really? This is the 2010s NOT the 1910s. If some bigot doesn't like what somebody calls themselves or identifies with because of that person's race, that's the bigot's problem.

As others have said, if he's entitled to use the coat of arms, then he can use the coat of arms, and race has nothing to do with it.
 
Old 08-08-2013, 07:41 AM
 
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All your ancestries make you who you are. Without each of your ancesters you wouldn't exist. African Americans should be able to claim their European ancestry as well as their African ancestry.

Muhammed Ali is proud to recognise his Irish ancestry.

Muhammad Ali made freeman of his ancestral home in Ireland | Mail Online
BBC News - Muhammad Ali's Irish roots recalled as he celebrates 70th birthday
 
Old 08-08-2013, 07:44 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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In some cases you have to have permission to use a crest or coat of arms but I don't know what those cases are.
Those rules only apply in parts of Europe and the British Isles. They have lots of rules over there that we would consider nonsensical, but since being a member of a certain family may entitle you to certain hereditary privileges they guard the use of this type of symbol in some countries.

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Most people today don't put much stock in coats of arms--not that I know of in this country anyway.
I do. I am of Irish descent on my father's side and my family coat of arms is a gules boar trippant on a gold field. I wouldn't want someone who wasn't from my family (or who shared my family name which is fairly common) using it, but there's nothing I could do about it legally. I suppose I'd be intrigued if an African-American shared my last name and used the coat of arms, and I'd probably be OK with it.
 
Old 08-08-2013, 07:51 AM
 
Location: Shawnee-on-Delaware, PA
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Funny you should ask. It's not always black people who have an issue with acknowledging mixed genetic heritage. On one of the DNA service websites a black woman was recently posting about how when she contacts people who are confirmed genetic cousins , a lot of the white folks won't communicate with her.
Well yeah, but when my sister tried to contact some other white people in Canada who share our mother's very rare last name, she got no reply. Many people who are contacted by strangers out of the blue on the internet don't respond.
 
Old 08-08-2013, 10:02 AM
 
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White people alway talk about their Native American ancestry, so I can't see why black people can't talk about their mixed genes. The one drop rule has made us all think that if you claim anything other than black then you are a hypocrite.
I was just having this conversation with a friend yesterday. I say celebrate all one's heritage, regardless of how it came to be.
 
Old 08-08-2013, 11:45 AM
 
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Really? This is the 2010s NOT the 1910s. If some bigot doesn't like what somebody calls themselves or identifies with because of that person's race, that's the bigot's problem.

As others have said, if he's entitled to use the coat of arms, then he can use the coat of arms, and race has nothing to do with it.
obviously you can't read because i said they could but thanks to the one drop rule which still pretty much kind of influences things,

Not that it still existed but the past influences the presentand race has nothing to do with it? the damn thread is about ancestry how is race not apart of that
 
Old 08-08-2013, 12:05 PM
 
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If a black cousin contacted me about one of my family surnames, I'd be happy to respond, as I am with all my other cousins. And yes, I do know there would logically be some black cousins around somewhere, maybe even having a surname I'm familiar with. I knew starting out there were slave owners in my ancestry. We're all related in some way or another in this country, one reason I can't understand why racism even exists here.
 
Old 08-08-2013, 12:28 PM
 
Location: Jamestown, NY
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obviously you can't read because i said they could but thanks to the one drop rule which still pretty much kind of influences things,

Not that it still existed but the past influences the presentand race has nothing to do with it? the damn thread is about ancestry how is race not apart of that
How does this racist "rule" that was unenforceable even in the American South influence anything today, which is what you are claiming? Blacks who were light enough have been "passing" into white society for hundreds of years, and if they could pass for white and nobody knew what their ancestry was, how were they identified as "black" even in the South?

Having 1 black ancestor 5 or 6 generations back doesn't make you black any more than having 1 Jewish or Native American ancestor that far back makes you Jewish or Native American.

If a black person today wants to be proclaim his/her European ancestry, that's his/her business. If he/she doesn't, that's his/her business, too. Not yours. Not mine. Certainly NOT the US government's business.
 
Old 08-08-2013, 01:40 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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obviously you can't read because i said they could but thanks to the one drop rule which still pretty much kind of influences things,

Not that it still existed but the past influences the presentand race has nothing to do with it? the damn thread is about ancestry how is race not apart of that
Influence isn't a given however, and each person has the option to choose if they want it to matter. My dad's family is almost all southern, not with money but from all over the south. I wouldn't be surprised if the family geneology wouldn't bring them up but is someone turned out to be black and a direct cousin I'd be happy to make contact. I'm looking for my first cousins who I lost contact after my uncle died and think I found them on Ancestry and am hoping, so even more recent family can easily get 'lost'.

I know I have Scots ancestors and would LOVE to find out the proper tartan and make something with it as extended family. Its a tie to the past even if there is likely not way I'll ever get to Scotland (which I'd love to see).
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