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Old 12-15-2014, 05:38 AM
 
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Well now that they have been able to sequence DNA from Iron Age Britons as well as Saxon age Britons they have been able to determine that the modern day inhabitants of Britain really didn't retain much from the Saxons compared to the people who were there before all of the conquests. Basically, the Germanic peoples didn't leave much in the way of DNA on the people of the Isles.
They will put a paper out about this some time in the future but I don't think that is accurate. The thing is that the Iron Age samples are closest to Irish and West Scots than present day southern English. Also all the British Isles populations cluster with Northern European ones and even present day Norwegians and Danes are closer to the Iron Age samples than the Anglo Saxon ones. There should be more explanation when they publish their findings. A lot of earlier information that came out wasn't accurate. Eurogenes has a great blog on the subject.

Eurogenes Blog: Hinxton ancient genomes roundup

Eurogenes Blog: Analysis of Hinxton4 - ERS389798

Eurogenes Blog: Analysis of an ancient genome from Hinxton

There is loads on info on that particular blog.
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Old 12-15-2014, 11:05 AM
 
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They will put a paper out about this some time in the future but I don't think that is accurate. The thing is that the Iron Age samples are closest to Irish and West Scots than present day southern English. Also all the British Isles populations cluster with Northern European ones and even present day Norwegians and Danes are closer to the Iron Age samples than the Anglo Saxon ones. There should be more explanation when they publish their findings. A lot of earlier information that came out wasn't accurate. Eurogenes has a great blog on the subject.

Eurogenes Blog: Hinxton ancient genomes roundup

Eurogenes Blog: Analysis of Hinxton4 - ERS389798

Eurogenes Blog: Analysis of an ancient genome from Hinxton

There is loads on info on that particular blog.

That's true. If I recall, all of the samples had fairly high African components, which is surprising in itself.
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Old 12-15-2014, 07:21 PM
 
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That's true. If I recall, all of the samples had fairly high African components, which is surprising in itself.
That would be surprising but they didn't. All the samples fit modern populations. That's why they are so close to Irish and Scottish. If they had elevated African components that would move them away from these populations.
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Old 12-16-2014, 02:08 PM
 
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That would be surprising but they didn't. All the samples fit modern populations. That's why they are so close to Irish and Scottish. If they had elevated African components that would move them away from these populations.
ERS389798 -Iron Age Kelt R1b
K12b


39.04% North_European
32.43% Atlantic_Med
9.12% Caucasus
5.96% Gedrosia
3.54% Sub_Saharan
2.90% South_Asian
2.73% East_African
2.63% Northwest_African
1.63% Southwest_Asian
0.02% Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian

ERS389795-Anglo Saxon
K12b


49.89% North_European
30.08% Atlantic_Med
9.78% Caucasus
3.63% East_Asian
3.19% Sub_Saharan
1.31% Northwest_African
1.16% Siberian
0.79% East_African
0.08% Gedrosia
0.07% South_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
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Old 12-16-2014, 03:27 PM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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ERS389798 -Iron Age Kelt R1b
K12b


39.04% North_European
32.43% Atlantic_Med
9.12% Caucasus
5.96% Gedrosia
3.54% Sub_Saharan
2.90% South_Asian
2.73% East_African
2.63% Northwest_African
1.63% Southwest_Asian
0.02% Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian

ERS389795-Anglo Saxon
K12b


49.89% North_European
30.08% Atlantic_Med
9.78% Caucasus
3.63% East_Asian
3.19% Sub_Saharan
1.31% Northwest_African
1.16% Siberian
0.79% East_African
0.08% Gedrosia
0.07% South_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
Which testing service gives you this detailed a readout? I'm considering ancestry since there are those I've seen whom I suspect are related, but would also like a detailed readout for my money.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:53 PM
 
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ERS389798 -Iron Age Kelt R1b
K12b


39.04% North_European
32.43% Atlantic_Med
9.12% Caucasus
5.96% Gedrosia
3.54% Sub_Saharan
2.90% South_Asian
2.73% East_African
2.63% Northwest_African
1.63% Southwest_Asian
0.02% Siberian
0.00% East_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian

ERS389795-Anglo Saxon
K12b


49.89% North_European
30.08% Atlantic_Med
9.78% Caucasus
3.63% East_Asian
3.19% Sub_Saharan
1.31% Northwest_African
1.16% Siberian
0.79% East_African
0.08% Gedrosia
0.07% South_Asian
0.00% Southeast_Asian
0.00% Southwest_Asian
Thanks Waviking. Is it Dodecad K12b? I'm trying to do mine to see how it compares but Gedmatch appears excessively slow today.
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Old 12-16-2014, 10:55 PM
 
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Which testing service gives you this detailed a readout? I'm considering ancestry since there are those I've seen whom I suspect are related, but would also like a detailed readout for my money.
You have to do a dna test with either 23andme, FTDNA or Ancestry and you then upload your raw data to a site called Gedmatch. They have all sorts of calculators on there for you to compare your dna to. It's great fun and quite addictive.
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Old 12-20-2014, 12:19 AM
 
Location: Cushing OK
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You have to do a dna test with either 23andme, FTDNA or Ancestry and you then upload your raw data to a site called Gedmatch. They have all sorts of calculators on there for you to compare your dna to. It's great fun and quite addictive.
Thank you. I look forward to taking the test. What I hope the Ancestry tags connect is with someone close to the mystery grandparents, or the abandoned family left in Ulster.
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Old 08-18-2015, 02:11 PM
 
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I would think if accurate ethnicity correlation is desired, it would be necessary to ask if one parent or both parents have the same ethnicity, or, four grandparents have the same ethnicity, as well as, ask ethnicity along with asking nationality.

Nationality doesn't mean much in modern times.

I would also make an effort to find ethnicity, where that ethnic group immigrated.

For example, "scots" settled in the Applachian Mountains from Cape Breton to Alabama.

Many Old Caledonian ethnicity "scots" are in Canada.

My family-line arrived in North America in small groups of ships before James reign, the remainder arriving by 1610, and no, we are not John Dods family at ancestry.com

There were also "deportations" in ships, to North America and other parts of the world.

These are "scots" that were not murdered or killed in wars, or, stripped of their lands and holdings, exiled to other locations throughout the world.

I read North Africa.

I would think to look in Australia.

I think DNA research, to be valid, needs to ask at least this much ethnicity, from participants.
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Old 08-23-2015, 06:47 AM
 
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You have to do a dna test with either 23andme, FTDNA or Ancestry and you then upload your raw data to a site called Gedmatch. They have all sorts of calculators on there for you to compare your dna to. It's great fun and quite addictive.
I've been stashing money for the test, and plan on do it very soon. I'm going to be very interested in the results. I'll have to see if my son can do it later to add more information.

One question, on ancestry, when they suggest those your related to, is it an international search? As in, if the Englishmen my mom always heard was her grandfather and her mom's dad is true, will it suggest matches in England? My aunts were her children by her Irish first husband, and I knew some of them, but they really didn't look much like my grandmother. Her father supposedly died soon after she was born.

Then there is the family mid 1800's I *know* another great grandfather who needed out of Ulster really fast and sailed away without the wife and kids. It would be interesting if there are direct relatives in Ulster too. And yes, he did remarry my great grandmother who also came from Ulster. He was said to be an 'Orangeman'.
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