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Originally Posted by Aery11
(not that I don't have great respect for the Mayflower crew and passengers).
In general I have a lot of respect for Old World people who upped and left for an untried, untested and initially almost uninhabited land. One of the great "brain drains" of world history was the movement of people out of those counties to the New World, not having any idea what they'd be facing. In the Mayflower days it was material privation. In later years it was being forcd to learn a new culture, new language and new occupations on top of, often, poverty.
I'm always amazed when they can prove these lines, given the holes in documentation, but especially with those lines where they go through women. It's really hard to document the birth/marriage of a woman between the Revolution to the Civil War (and still not really that easy until vital records were required around 1900), let alone from the Mayflower.
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Originally Posted by TXNGL
Regarding Marilyn Monroe, it's not positive that Gifford was her father. I'm related to him through my Borden (I think, don't have charts in front of me) family. Marilyn's mother, who was mentally ill, gave different stories about who her father was.
Well, unless proven otherwise, one stays the course. I have a similar story in one of my lines about five generations back (guy was supposed by-blow of local bigwig/politician), but unless it's substantiated by documentation, well.......
In general I have a lot of respect for Old World people who upped and left for an untried, untested and initially almost uninhabited land. One of the great "brain drains" of world history was the movement of people out of those counties to the New World, not having any idea what they'd be facing. In the Mayflower days it was material privation. In later years it was being forcd to learn a new culture, new language and new occupations on top of, often, poverty.
Hillary Clintons family, the Rodhams originated from County Durham in the North of England, not far from where the Washington Family descended from. Indeed the then Presiddent Jimmy Carter visited the area and Washington Old Hall back in 1976 to mark the 200th Ammiversary of US Independence. More recently George Bush visited the area as President, when he visited the then Prime Minister Tony Blair's Sedgefield Constiuency in County Durham. US Ambassador Robert Holmes Tuttle also visited the area and signed a friendship agreement with Washington DC.
I am a direct descendant of Richard Warren via the Delano/Warren line.
Richard Warren has the most descendants of any Mayflower passenger.
I might be one of them too but I get into a mire with the Delanos. A Delano/Warren woman possibly married my ancestor and they went to Vermont but there is no marriage record. There are town records that refer to them so I have to go the little Vermont town to poke around and see if there is proof.
The thing is, it's often relatively easy to verify records for New England. The Pilgrims and the Puritans, being very religious, were always married in their church and the church kept the records. People did move around a lot within New England and that can be a problem. But you'll see in church records that they were accepted into the new church on (date) and often it will say that they had the recommendation from their former church (name and date.) So that helps.
Those little white churches that dot the New England landscape kept all the records and of course, those churches were the meeting houses too. (separation of church and state???) So their religious records were also their civil records and those records were simply transferred to the town hall when the churches no longer held such power as previously.
The hard part is when the descendants of these people flew the coop. If they left New England and their little churches, it can be hard to find the trail.
Richard Warren has the most descendants of any Mayflower passenger.
I might be one of them too but I get into a mire with the Delanos. A Delano/Warren woman possibly married my ancestor and they went to Vermont but there is no marriage record. There are town records that refer to them so I have to go the little Vermont town to poke around and see if there is proof.
A fair amount of eastern Vermonters married in NH. Closest catholic priest maybe?? But that happened a few times to my hubby's Vermont family back in the early 1700-1800's.
I've always found it so interesting that so many people descend from such a small group like that. Just one of the things that will always amaze me when looking at genealogy. I never want to lose the wonder
He came over as a servant, signed the Mayflower compact, and ended up fairly well off. He was a known trouble maker, though avoided the fates of some others and was never kicked out of Plymouth or punished harshly:
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The post-1632 records of the Plymouth Court, which has no existing records prior to that year, has twenty-three cases over the 20 years between January 1632 and October 1651 that involve Edward Doty. The records include suits/countersuits, and charges such as fraud, slander, fighting, assault, debt, trespass, theft, etc. But although Doty appeared before the court numerous times, he was never punished for criminal activities beyond small fines.
Edward Doty and Edward Lester, of the Massachusetts colony, fought the first recorded American duel in 1621, just a year after the Pilgrims arrived at Plymouth. Armed with swords, both men sustained minor wounds. A unique aspect of this duel was that Doty and Leicester were servants. For the most part, only gentlemen dueled.
Definitely seemed like a character. I enjoy imagining his antics amongst the Pilgrims lol. Should be a tv show.
Stop the madness. Sarah Palin and I share the same Mayflower passenger? Ugh. :-D
Me too! We are both descended from Stephen Hopkins.
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