U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Genealogy
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 08-19-2017, 04:53 PM
 
Location: NJ
8,215 posts, read 19,015,141 times
Reputation: 4968

Advertisements

I've had this as a blog but decided to share it as a post for those that need it. If anyone has tips, please feel free to add them

Family tree and DNA general instructions

I originally wrote part of this as a reply to someone, hopefully what I've learned will help someone not waste time doing their tree. If anyone has any tips or correction of info, please let me know. I've been doing my family tree since fall of 2015, our DNA June 2016 so am fairly new myself. I wish I had found a basic guide but instead learned everything the hard way. My goal is to leave a tree for my kids, grand kids and my hubs grand daughter that we do not see, so she only knows her maternal history.

I started my family tree on My Heritage a year and a half ago. It's been a learning experience. My parents both came to the US from Hungary in the late 50's. My dad passed away 11 years ago, his brother only speaks Hungarian which I do not speak. My uncle gave me what he knew of their family (father, mother and her parents) when I had someone to translate a letter. My mothers relatives are in Hungary too, I have one Hungarian cousin who can answer basic questions using google translate, so I have a little help if needed. He gave me my grandparents, grand mothers maiden name plus my mothers siblings that I didn't know, I still need some date of births and locations. I have 2 kids, my daughter is in the same boat with immigrant grand parents from Poland and Germany while I had a good amount of info on my son's side. I have help from my kids grandmothers when needed. For my hub I had a good amount on his mothers side but not his fathers. I was able to start my tree with a decent amount of info. Now I have about 2,000 people in my tree at Ancestry.

So, I did my 1st tree on My Heritage, it gave me matches and some times smart matches where I looked at the match, was able to take what I needed to add to my own tree. At one point someone copied my kids relatives; so I ended up going to Ancestry to work in private; so far it's been great. I keep my main tree there. I've gotten pretty far because Ancestry gives you hints too. With the free account you can't save the hints, you have to type the info out yourself which is no big deal. I really do not do much with the tree at my heritage any more but that may change after I do my DNA there or if I run into a relative road block. I'll enter them to see if I get a match on someone elses tree.

I've used Family Search for records in the past. At some point I realized they gave free family trees too, so I started a basic one there. The tree view itself takes some getting used to but the person profiles are what I mainly use it for; I then go to their records search page to get info on a relative I'm working on at ancestry. The only time I add more relatives to my family search tree is when I run into a dead end so to speak. What's nice is they let you attach those records to the person profile in the tree. I have found more records at family search for some relatives then I have at ancestry. What I like about family search is that when you're entering say parents for your mother, it will do a search to see if she's already listed there; you may get lucky with a full tree branch as a result; which you then attach there, and when you have time, enter it into your tree at ancestry. It's not going to be a quick process; but you'll get rewarded with knowing more about your family and who you're working on.

When you do your tree, make sure you pay attention to privacy settings. Some people make their trees public but mine is private because I have relatives that are private people, they do not want their info to be public. I personally do not want my info public either. As a matter of fact, check out the thread 'Creepy' genealogy site knows a lot about you, it's about the site Familytreenow.com. In the search, enter your name; parents, grand parents, see what you come up with. That will give you an idea of what a public tree is like; info at anyone's finger tips. If you keep your tree private at ancestry or my heritage, people have to ask for an invite to view your tree. I didn't know about security when I started. I have not paid at any site and have not used my free trial at ancestry yet. I'm doing everything as a free account. I'm saving the free 2 week trial until I run into a dead end. Right now I'm getting tons of free info on 3 sites. IT takes more time entering things yourself but I feel it's worth it because the cost of membership at My Heritage or Ancestry is pretty steep. It wouldn't be bad if they did $10 a month but they want the hundred dollars or more in one shot. I'm going to need the world explorer which is a lot more.

Once you make a tree on Ancestry or My Heritage, you want to go to tree settings, save as GEDcom file. It's easier to make a tree on one site then upload the GEDcom file to other sites. I didn't know this when I started, had I known it, I would have started on Ancestry, then uploaded the GEDcom file to my heritage. I wasted a lot of time retyping my tree not knowing about it. Family Search also does GEDcom files, I haven't tried it so can't offer anything.

Family Tree Sites and GEDcom Files - Back up your family tree to upload to other sites

Ancestry - go to your family tree, next click the name of your tree in the top left corner, you'll see tree settings, click on it. On the right side you'll see a white box with Your home person in this tree; Your home person in this tree; Hint preferences; Manage your tree - Export your family tree data, as a GEDCOM file, to your computer, the GEDcom download will take a few seconds to generate.

My Heritage - Go to your profile, At the top it says home, family tree, discoveries, DNA, photos, research; mouse over family tree you'll see import GEDcom and manage trees, click manage trees, on the far right under actions you'll see export to GEDcom. My Heritage is limited with free family tree accounts. I have 203 people in my tree, it's telling me I have reached the maximum and will have to pay to add more people.

Family Tree DNA FTDNA - Log into FTDNA, you'll be on the main page that shows Welcome to myFTDNA with your account info in the left box, you can't miss where it says family tree; which you click then upload GEDcom is right there.

Family Search Scroll down on the main page, you'll see Do You Have a GEDCOM File? Preserve and Share Your Family Tree. You'll then see Submit Your Tree. To submit your tree, you must sign in or register with FamilySearch.org. What does it mean to submit your family tree? When you submit your family tree, you can upload a GEDCOM file so that others can search it on FamilySearch.org. This process replaces the Share My Genealogy feature that was used to submit information to the Pedigree Resource File (PRF). It then goes more into detail. Family Search trees are public trees, which I only recently found out. They do protect living people so only you will be able to see the info you add but I'm unsure exactly what others see so it's on my list of things to check out.

wikitree is a public tree. It's a community of genealogists trying to connect the world on one tree. I have not spent much time on wikitree so I can't really say anything about it except it's a decent place to get info for your own tree, but from experience you have to make sure you check what they have because it could be incorrect. There is a relative of my son's family there who has a lot of wrong information. I left comments on some of the profiles that have wrong info, she has not fixed it yet. I've emailed her asking to be on the safe list for the relatives because some are set to private, she hasn't answered. I haven't had time to go back to wikitree to each relatives profile to ask to be put on the safe list for each of the relatives we share. From what I see you have to sign up to volunteer before they'll let you do anything such as edit incorrect info.

Now to the DNA
Quote:
How to access and download your autosomal DNA results from AncestryDNA once you're ready to upload to other sites.

1. Navigate to the Ancestry.com website homepage.
2. In the upper-right corner, click Sign In to display the sign in window.
3. In the Username or email field, enter your username or email.
4. In the Password field, enter your password.
5. Click Sign In. Your Ancestry home page is displayed.
6. On the menu bar, click DNA > Your DNA Results Summary. The AncestryDNA home page is displayed.
7. On the right side of the page, click Settings. Your Test Settings page is displayed.
8. Scroll down the page.
9. On the right side of the page, in the Download your raw DNA data section, click Get Started. The Download your raw DNA data window is displayed.
10. Enter your password in the empty field.
11. Click Confirm. A window requesting that you check your email is displayed.
12. Check your email for an email from AncestryDNA with the subject line Your request to download AncestryDNA raw data.
13. In the email, click Confirm Data Download. You will be redirected to the Ancestry.com website.
14. Enter your username or email and password in the appropriate fields, and click Sign In. The Download DNA Raw Data page is displayed.
15. Click Download DNA Raw Data to download your raw data file. Note where you save the file on your computer
.

23andme Accessing your Raw Data

FTDNA Accessing your Raw Data to upload to GEDmatch


23 and me offers 2 tests, one for family finder ($99) and another for health ($200). If you do the family finder without health and you're interested in doing the health later on it will cost you an extra $25 so be aware of that. They do not support uploads from other sites.

Ancestry DNA - costs $99 plus $10 shipping. They do not allow uploads from other companies. Tests normally go on sale mothers and father's day, black Friday $69 and the Christmas holiday $79. I have a coupon code in my 1st post here I believe where it's $89 but you have to add the $10 shipping to it. It's very easy to buy more tests to add it to the people in your tree.

Family Tree DNA costs $79 or you can transfer your Ancestry DNA or 23 and Me autosomal DNA data to discover new matches for free. For $19 more they will give you myOrigins, ancientOrigins and Chromosome Browser. I haven't done it yet. I plan to do it at some point so I can get the experience. I have directions on how to upload multiple raw data files at FTDNA in case anyone gets stuck. Once you have the 1st one uploaded and have electronically signed it, logout of FamilyTreeDNA, then select the drop down box "DNA Tests" and select the "Autosomal Transfer". Fill out First Name and Last name of the person who's test you will be uploading and select if they are male or female and then enter your email address if you are the person who will administer this account. It will then assign you a new kit number and email you a new password for the kit. Then it will proceed to the upload DNA page. Make sure you look for the password email. You're going to get one for each sample you upload. You have to upload your family tree GEDcom file for each sample which is a pain in the butt but over all it's been a good experience. Directions page in case anyone needs it.

My Heritage DNA is normally $99 but they're selling it for $79. They're a new company so you may not get many matches. I didn't have many matches until recently. Their database has really grown.. They allow free uploads from Ancestry, 23 and me and FTDNA. June 2017 - New, they now give free ethnicity estimates. I won a kit from My Heritage for a founders project. They were interested in me because my family has lived in Hungary for a long time. I got my ethnicity report from it, I'm 96.3% East European and 3.7% Italian. It took 6 months, they wouldn't release it until they were done analyzing data from everyone that was in the project. They did give me DNA matches, I only have 5 where on FTDNA and Ancestry I have a lot more. To upload your DNA from another company, go to your profile, you will see the DNA tab where you can upload your raw data. They're saying they will eventually be charging to upload raw data. They're also going to add a surname feature where they will give surnames at some point. To upload DNA to another person in your tree, find them on the tree then click their name, it will open a box on the left that has the link to upload.

GEDmatch where you can upload both your DNA and a GEDcom file; look for matches and do all sorts of things with finding out your ethnicity that's more involved then any of the other companies. They go back to hunter-gatherer. GEDmatch upload in case you can't find it. It only takes a few minutes to upload the DNA, then you can play around with the tools. Full results will come in a day or 2. I have not spent much time here so can't go into more detail on the matches. There are tutorials on DNA matching that I have not read yet. Click here to register

To get the break down on your ethnicity, see below GEDmatch Heritage Tool

GEDmatch Tools for DNA and Genealogy Research -
Analyze Your Data
'One-to-one' compare
X 'One-to-one'
Admixture (heritage) - Eurogenes and other admixture utilities
Admixture/Oracle with Population Search
Phasing
People who match one or both of 2 kits Updated
Predict Eye Color
Are your parents related?
3D Chromosome Browser
Archaic DNA matches
Multiple Kit Analysis NEW
DNA File Diagnostic Utility

GEDmatch Heritage Tool
copy your DNA sample number, go to Admixture (heritage), select project, Eurogenes. Next page, Select how you want to process it: Admixture Proportions (With link to Oracle); Enter your kit number: Select the 'calculator' model to use: Eurogenes K13, Enter your Ethnicity: you'll then get the graph, Eurogenes K13 Admixture Proportions; under the populations on the left, you'll see oracle and oracle -4
Here's a basic intro guide to gedmatch's admixture calculators: Genealogical Musings: Finally! A Gedmatch Admixture Guide!

Near East Neolithic K13 - select Admixture (heritage), Select the project GedrosiaDNA, Select how you want to process it: Admixture Proportions (With link to Oracle); Enter your kit number; Select the 'calculator' model to use: Near East Neolithic K13

DNA Land - free upload of raw data. See the Frequently Asked Questions to see what you can do and directions to upload multiple raw data files from other relatives

Q - I have consent from a number of my family members to upload their DNA files/I have DNA files from all three of the companies, but I only have one email address. Is there anyway I can make multiple accounts with one email? (top)
A - We can currently handle a single genotype file per user/account as part of the consent process. But, if you are able to use a Gmail account, there is a trick that will allow you to create all your accounts using one email address. Say that your Gmail address is dna.land.user@gmail.com. To upload another family member (say your mother) to DNA.Land, create an account with the email dna.land.user+mom@gmail.com. Though it may look weird, DNA.Land will accept this as a valid email account. When we send the validation email to dna.land.user+mom@gmail.com, Google will redirect the message to YOUR account (dna.land.user@gmail.com). You can do that for as many genomes as you’d like, all under one Gmail account.[/quote]

Be sure to check this thread 1st Geneology & DNA Sites - Free Dates & Specials Thread, they post DNA sales as well as family tree related sales, days when Ancestry or other sites give free days such as St Patrick's day they gave free records in Ireland for a few days

Will post Ancestry new then old and My Heritage ethnicity. Unfortunately I can't click open every one on the Ancestry new ethnicity result page like I could with the old one. I liked that one much better.

Ancestry new ethnicity





Ancestry old ethnicity





My Heritage ethnicity



Last edited by Roselvr; 08-19-2017 at 05:25 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 08-19-2017, 08:59 PM
 
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
7,637 posts, read 11,668,558 times
Reputation: 9680
Some of the prices you name have changed. 23andMe ancestry+health I think is now $149 (and I don't think this is a sale? It looks like normal price now). MyHeritage's sale is currently down to $69.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-20-2017, 11:35 AM
 
Location: NJ
8,215 posts, read 19,015,141 times
Reputation: 4968
Quote:
Originally Posted by PA2UK View Post
Some of the prices you name have changed. 23andMe ancestry+health I think is now $149 (and I don't think this is a sale? It looks like normal price now). MyHeritage's sale is currently down to $69.
Thanks for posting. I looked into it. My Heritage $69 is a sale that ends August 20th. I wonder if 23 and me just had a sale that ended because it's regular price today but I did find a good deal at Best Buy.

23 and me kit at Best Buy $29.99 choose test kit $69 Ancestry or $169. plus health. Anyone buying it like that can also use the 2 cash back sites

Attached Thumbnails
Family tree and DNA general instructions-23andmebestbuy.jpg  

Last edited by Roselvr; 08-20-2017 at 12:07 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2017, 12:10 PM
Status: "May the world have peace." (set 4 days ago)
 
Location: Prescott AZ
5,340 posts, read 7,549,805 times
Reputation: 9585
So, I did 23 and Me a few years ago, when it first came out. Never found any real help in finding my GGG grandfather's parents in England with this DNA stuff.

Anyway, I went to a seminar yesterday on DNA. My problem is that my raw data does not come up with a dot com address, so it's worthless. I tried to enter it into Gedmatch and got no where. And I really don't see how this is going to trace back to 1827 when GGG grandfather was born? These folks are all gone. By finding cousins, second and third cousins, (removed or not), how is this going to help me? Would Gedmatch provide their family trees to me if they had my raw data? And even so, if none of the names match, what good is it? Help !!!
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2017, 01:24 PM
 
Location: NJ
8,215 posts, read 19,015,141 times
Reputation: 4968
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhxBarb View Post
So, I did 23 and Me a few years ago, when it first came out. Never found any real help in finding my GGG grandfather's parents in England with this DNA stuff.

Anyway, I went to a seminar yesterday on DNA. My problem is that my raw data does not come up with a dot com address, so it's worthless. I tried to enter it into Gedmatch and got no where. And I really don't see how this is going to trace back to 1827 when GGG grandfather was born? These folks are all gone. By finding cousins, second and third cousins, (removed or not), how is this going to help me? Would Gedmatch provide their family trees to me if they had my raw data? And even so, if none of the names match, what good is it? Help !!!
Did you save your raw data the way the directions above say?
Have you tried to upload to My Heritage or to Family Tree DNA? I have not tried this but try to upload to My Heritage, then try to download from there to upload to GEDmatch. I wonder if that would work.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2017, 02:38 PM
Status: "May the world have peace." (set 4 days ago)
 
Location: Prescott AZ
5,340 posts, read 7,549,805 times
Reputation: 9585
Thanks Rose. The instructor yesterday said not to use Heritage because they are new at this DNA stuff and they don't have it all together yet. There are so many instructions and I get totally confused. I will try FTDNA as others have used it and said it's good. I also emailed the instructor asking for help.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2017, 03:19 PM
 
Location: Georgia, USA
18,738 posts, read 23,175,362 times
Reputation: 21766
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhxBarb View Post
So, I did 23 and Me a few years ago, when it first came out. Never found any real help in finding my GGG grandfather's parents in England with this DNA stuff.

Anyway, I went to a seminar yesterday on DNA. My problem is that my raw data does not come up with a dot com address, so it's worthless. I tried to enter it into Gedmatch and got no where. And I really don't see how this is going to trace back to 1827 when GGG grandfather was born? These folks are all gone. By finding cousins, second and third cousins, (removed or not), how is this going to help me? Would Gedmatch provide their family trees to me if they had my raw data? And even so, if none of the names match, what good is it? Help !!!
I don't understand what you mean about your raw data not coming with a .com address. That data is not a URL, it's a file, and GEDmatch tells you exactly how to upload it. Log in to GEDmatch, go to File Uploads, and click "23andMe fast & easy", then follow the prompts. You will need to give 23AndMe permission to allow GEDmatch to access your data.

In order for GEDmatch to compare family trees you have to upload your own tree by creating a file called a gedcom. The genealogy software you use has a feature allowing you to do that. The more complete your tree is, the better. Follow the directions with your program. Once your tree is uploaded to GEDmatch (follow the directions thereyou can ask it to compare your tree to others. If you want to compare to a specific person you ask that person for his gedcom number. You can also compare to the entire database, but that will generate a lot of matches.

You are looking for matches who have more information on a particular ancestor than you do. In your case, you are looking for other descendants of your three times great grandfather born in 1827. When I first started looking at my family tree I found two third cousins, one at Ancestry.com and one on a message board, who were deep into genealogy and provided me with reams of information on two branches of my tree. DNA can help you find such people, too.

Unless all of your ancestors are very recent immigrants to the US or they left few descendants (my DH's ancestors had surprisingly small families whose descendants are apparently not interested in genealogy) you probably will have matches. The number will vary, depending on how many people with whom you share ancestors get DNA testing.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2017, 05:46 PM
Status: "May the world have peace." (set 4 days ago)
 
Location: Prescott AZ
5,340 posts, read 7,549,805 times
Reputation: 9585
OH Now I see. I got my raw data uploaded to GedMatch. I have a kit #. I got a long list of emails and other data. And now I have to go back to Familysearch.com and ask them to send my family tree to Gedmatch. Right? OK, I am proceeding. Thank you for your help.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2017, 06:40 PM
 
Location: NJ
8,215 posts, read 19,015,141 times
Reputation: 4968
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhxBarb View Post
Thanks Rose. The instructor yesterday said not to use Heritage because they are new at this DNA stuff and they don't have it all together yet. There are so many instructions and I get totally confused. I will try FTDNA as others have used it and said it's good. I also emailed the instructor asking for help.
While my heritage is new with DNA; they have grown a lot since starting due to allowing free uploads. You're really cheating yourself if you don't upload because at some point they may stop doing it free. You may have a lot of DNA matches. You're instructor has no clue what you will have or won't there.

They have been around a long time for family trees; you should get matches there. I've had a lot of them. Read my post then try it. You really have nothing to lose; it very well could be the site that helps you. They have also started adding family surnames with matches if the person had a tree
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 08-27-2017, 06:45 PM
 
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
7,637 posts, read 11,668,558 times
Reputation: 9680
Quote:
Originally Posted by PhxBarb View Post
So, I did 23 and Me a few years ago, when it first came out. Never found any real help in finding my GGG grandfather's parents in England with this DNA stuff.

Anyway, I went to a seminar yesterday on DNA. My problem is that my raw data does not come up with a dot com address, so it's worthless. I tried to enter it into Gedmatch and got no where. And I really don't see how this is going to trace back to 1827 when GGG grandfather was born? These folks are all gone. By finding cousins, second and third cousins, (removed or not), how is this going to help me? Would Gedmatch provide their family trees to me if they had my raw data? And even so, if none of the names match, what good is it? Help !!!
The way to break down brick walls with DNA matches is to find matches who descend from a potential ancestor of your brick wall ancestor, and matches who descend from the brick wall ancestor and triangulate them. So for example, let's say your brick wall is John Smith b. 1827. You find a DNA match who is descended from an Abraham Smith b. 1800 in the same area, but by a different child (not John Smith). Then go looking for other DNA matches who also have John Smith, Abraham Smith, or ancestors of Abraham Smith in their trees and triangulate them to make sure many of you match on the same segments. Of course, the surname Smith so common, it may not be possible (too much risk of coincidence) but I'm just using that as an example.

I hate to say this, but this is more difficult to achieve on 23andMe because they no longer support family trees. Without trees, it's much more difficult to find enough matches with the necessary people in their tree to make this work. Gedmatch supports gedcom uploads, but many people don't upload them. You'd probably have the best luck with FamilyTreeDNA - you can upload your 23andMe raw data there for free, or for $19 to unlock your full results. It's more user friendly than gedmatch.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Genealogy

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2017, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32 - Top