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Old 10-30-2017, 01:02 PM
 
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I always wonder why this is so intriguing to people.

People get around today and they got around back then. Europeans made war on each other in one form or another for centuries, marching armies to and fro across the continent. You think the soldiers were chaste? You think the local girls were immune from falling for a handsome occupier?

People traded as well. Why would it hard to imagine a sailor frequenting a house of ill repute somewhere far away? Or again, taking a wife in a foreign land? Or, setting up shop far away for one reason or another.
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Old 10-30-2017, 01:14 PM
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I always wonder why this is so intriguing to people.

People get around today and they got around back then. Europeans made war on each other in one form or another for centuries, marching armies to and fro across the continent. You think the soldiers were chaste? You think the local girls were immune from falling for a handsome occupier?

People traded as well. Why would it hard to imagine a sailor frequenting a house of ill repute somewhere far away? Or again, taking a wife in a foreign land? Or, setting up shop far away for one reason or another.
Or leaving his DNA with an unwilling woman?

I've heard that a number of sailors from the Spanish Armada survived and wound up in Ireland. That would spread some Iberian genes around, right?

And aren't Vikings Scandinavian? I believe they cruised to England and other European areas.
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:02 PM
 
Location: The Triad (NC)
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Ancestry says I have Iberian and my family tree says Italian.
They can both be true.
I have some of a LOT but I think it's how the more recent mixing plays out that counts most.

This is a 23&me graphic:
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Old 10-30-2017, 02:34 PM
 
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What was the relevant reference sample? If the reference population was in the Basque Country, you'd expect it to peak there at close to 100%.

A second issue is whether this represents a measure of the Iberian segments in your genome i.e., an actual stretch of DNA inherited from an Iberian ancestor, or represents an average genetic distance from the Iberian reference population (see above)?

Don't lose any sleep over this. It's science.
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Old 10-30-2017, 03:06 PM
 
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I am primarily Nordic with lots of dna from the British Isles and I am also German. but I have some iberian dna....I dont know if that comes from the Spanish Occupation of the Netherlands because i always heard we were black dutch and i actually am Dutch or whether it came from my family in New Mexico.I live in Texas and my family has lived here for many generations so it may of come from here in Texas but we are still trying to figure out where my Spaniard/iberian came from.
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Old 10-30-2017, 05:55 PM
 
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Italian ancestors of mine probably came from Iberia after the Inquisition. Since that time, they spread their DNA far and wide - in fact, the Norwegians actually ran "our" town in Italy and built a castle there. So it makes sense that small %% of Iberian (including myself) show up in many of other Euro descent.
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Old 10-30-2017, 06:14 PM
 
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
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Apparently they get Italian mixed up with Iberian on ancestry. Ancestry says I have Iberian and my family tree says Italian.
That can happen with any company, it depends more on your particular DNA. I have Italian ancestry and at AncestryDNA, it comes up as Italy/Greece. No Iberian.

If you click on "see details" for each category, you'll get a lot more info. It says 25% of native Italians get results in Iberian.
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Old 10-30-2017, 07:44 PM
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Probably in southern France more than anything. The Iberian are Celtic not Germanic.
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Old 10-30-2017, 07:48 PM
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I always wonder why this is so intriguing to people.

People get around today and they got around back then. Europeans made war on each other in one form or another for centuries, marching armies to and fro across the continent. You think the soldiers were chaste? You think the local girls were immune from falling for a handsome occupier?

People traded as well. Why would it hard to imagine a sailor frequenting a house of ill repute somewhere far away? Or again, taking a wife in a foreign land? Or, setting up shop far away for one reason or another.

I find it intriguing because I find culture, anthropology and ancestry interesting, however I don't find it surprising how so much mixing has gone on. Most of my ancestry from my DNA results is easily explained from what my family knows... except the Italian. Yet again my mom's maiden name, though of the Spanish language, is related to "Rome," meaning "from Rome." And my dad's mom's maiden name can double as Italian as well as Spanish and Portuguese. Also its important to distinguish ethnicity from nationality. For example someone can be like "my grandpa was born in Italy so I should have this much Italian DNA" but their grandpa could be from northern Italy and genetically be more German, or they can be from anywhere in Italy, but of Greek or Russian ancestry, for example. That's why they might be surprised to find more Russian than Italian, but he could have been an Italian of Russian descent. People always gotta consider that. Then there's always secret bastard children from affairs and adopted kids.
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Old 10-30-2017, 09:21 PM
 
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People moved around much more than we think. Canterbury Tales is an interesting depiction of a pilgrimage but people were going to Santiago de Campostella in Spain from all over Europe. There were other pilgrimages to Rome or elsewhere. Marco Polo and his family were travelling merchants going from Venice up toward Crimea and eventually to China. They didn't go alone. Caravans were crossing North Africa. The Silk Road moved people and goods from China to Europe. None of this was warfare...a whole other mechanism for moving people (and DNA) around.
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