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Old 01-16-2018, 09:21 AM
 
Location: NJ
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That would be cool! This guy Andras, sounds brilliant!


This really has me bothered. I wonder if anyone was ever contacted in later years. Curious if anyone in his platoon knew anything about him. Would love to know the "real" story.
I'm bothered too. Will ask my neighbor when she replies to me
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Old 01-16-2018, 11:43 AM
 
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Nice move OP. The person was being protected and do you have any concern since now you've posted this on an open forum?
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:06 PM
 
Location: NJ
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Nice move OP. The person was being protected and do you have any concern since now you've posted this on an open forum?
Hungary is a totally different place now
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Old 01-16-2018, 12:07 PM
 
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While looking through some death records for an adoptee I ran across a death certificate where the victim was killed by a train, which is the info I'm looking for this adoptee. It isn't the one I'm searching for, but I looked at the info anyhow. I was really surprised, along with intrigued, that the Interment Control Form" from the military noted "Do Not Contact NOK under any circumstances" because this individual was living "under the IRON CURTAIN"


According to death certificate, this individual was single. Does this mean, his family in Hungry never knew what happened to him?!? I know, the ideas are speculation, but how horrible would that be!!!
If you are really intrigued you might contact Megan Smolenyak on facebook
https://www.facebook.com/megansmolenyak/ She is a noted genealogist and she does answer very quickly any questions you might have. I have messaged her a couple of times and she responded. She does a lot of finding US Soldiers next of kin when the bodies have been returned to the US after many many years.
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Old 01-16-2018, 02:07 PM
 
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
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Nice move OP. The person was being protected and do you have any concern since now you've posted this on an open forum?
It's a public record, already available online. If you have a problem with that, you'll have to take it up with the National Archives, as they were the ones who released it to the public.

Additionally, given that the record is from 1955, there's a very good chance the next of kin is by now also deceased. Based on the use of Mrs. and the same surname as the deceased, the next of kin is probably either his mother or wife, maybe a sister in law. That would make her either the same generation as him or older, making it unlikely she's still alive.

Also, the Iron Curtain no longer exists. So no, the OP shouldn't have any concern whatsoever.
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Old 01-16-2018, 10:14 PM
 
Location: Somewhere, out there in Zone7B
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Nice move OP. The person was being protected and do you have any concern since now you've posted this on an open forum?
Just as PA2UK already pointed out, this is public record AND this individual passed away in 1955. Obviously, you must have commented without even reading the entire post.


He was born in 1921. His only family member listed was his father who probably was born before 1900, and long gone himself.


So, I'm just fine with posting this information, as was the US Gov. since they released this info and it's for anyone to see.
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Old 01-17-2018, 09:54 AM
 
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I did a quick search on Ancestry and found his actual death certificate (the image above was his military internment record).

For those who have ancestry, here is the link to his death certificate: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive...onid=&hintid=&


Apparently, he did not die as a result of military conflict (i.e. the Korean war). He died in North Carolina. He was a passenger in a car that was hit by a train and he died immediately from a fractured skull. (This comes directly from the death certificate). If anyone is interested in digging further, it is likely that there would be some sort of local newspaper coverage of this accident. The accident occurred in Southern Pines, Moore, North Carolina.

His mother's maiden name is not listed on his official death certificate nor is a next of kin listed, HOWEVER, his father's name is listed as Janos Pattantyus.

Given that his name includes the hyphenated Abraham, my hunch is that the next of kin on the death certificate was likely his mother. (It could, of course, be his grandmother or a sister as well).

I also suspect that the notation about not contacting the relative was on his internment record out of concern for her safety. If the Soviet government discovered that she had a relative in the U.S. Army INTELLIGENCE unit, she herself might have been considered suspect by the Soviet government.

An interesting note on his death certificate is that his citizenship is still listed as "Hungary", which is odd if he was in the U.S. Army. However, one possibility, since he was working in intelligence, was that his citizenship was put aside if he volunteered or was recruited by the Army as a specialist who interpreted Soviet documents/transmissions. Which, of course, would be another reason not to contact his mother in Hungary.

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Old 01-17-2018, 10:13 AM
 
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Another thing I note is that he died on February 27, 1955 but wasn't actually interned in Arlington until March 21, 1955, three weeks later. I wonder why that was.
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Old 01-17-2018, 10:23 AM
 
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Well, here's another interesting tidbit.

I found a brief article in a San Antonio newspaper from 1959. It may or may not be related (note his father's name on his death certificate), but it is interesting considering his son's role in the U.S. Army (intelligence) and that "do not under any circumstances notify NOK" notation on his Arlington internment.

Here's the entire article:

WORKER HANGED

A Hungarian worker alleged to have spied for the United States following the 1955 Anti-Soviet uprising, Janos Abraham, was hanged a few weeks ago, the Communist Party newspaper Nepszabadsag reported.

Date of publication: April 23 1959

Link on Ancestry: https://www.ancestry.com/interactive...&usePUBJs=true
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Old 01-17-2018, 10:31 AM
 
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OK, I also found a newspaper article that mentions how he died. This makes it sound like he was driving the car that was hit by the train. Perhaps that written in word "passenger" on his death certificate was referring to the type of train?

Sgt. Janos Pattantyus-Abraham of Ft. Bragg was killed at Southern Pines when the car he was driving was struck by a passenger train.


https://www.ancestry.com/interactive...&usePUBJs=true
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