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Old 01-17-2018, 11:00 AM
 
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Seems like a rather famous family........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dezs%C...%81brah%C3%A1m
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Old 01-17-2018, 11:10 AM
 
Location: Somewhere, out there in Zone7B
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Seems like a rather famous family........

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dezs%C...%81brah%C3%A1m

Interesting find there westsideboy! If this is the same family, then there is a gap of who this man's mother was because he was born in 1921 and the 2 marriages that are listed are:




Piroska Rickl (1902-1908)
Anna Matild Rucsinszki (1925-1973)
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Old 01-17-2018, 11:31 AM
 
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Good detective work as well RosieSD.


The way I came upon this was quite by accident, no pun intended. I am looking for a death certificate where the victim was killed by a train in the early 50's and was 30yrs old most likely dying in NC, and this was the first DC that came up and I knew the name wasn't going to be right, but something said to click on it (haven't looked at any other of the 2K+ records that came up).
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Old 01-17-2018, 11:41 AM
 
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Interesting find there westsideboy! If this is the same family, then there is a gap of who this man's mother was because he was born in 1921 and the 2 marriages that are listed are:




Piroska Rickl (1902-1908)
Anna Matild Rucsinszki (1925-1973)
According to Janos' internment record, his mother's name may have been Imy. (His father's name on his death certificate is given as Janos). Of course, his NOK could have been a single sister or even a grandmother as well.

I haven't been able to find anything for an Imy Pattantyus-Abraham, but I did find a 1957 U.S. arrival record for an Irma Pattantyus-Abraham. It notes that she was "stateless" (i.e., a refugee) and born in Hungary on 15 April 1899. That would put her about the right age to be Janos' mother.

But, obviously, the name Irma doesn't match up with Imy either. But the last name is the same, and the fact that whoever this was was "stateless" is interesting.

At the time Irmal Pattantyus-Abraham arrived, the Soviets were executing anyone suspected of having been connected to the 1955-56 rebellion in Budapest.

Another interesting side note that I've found digging around: Before the Hungarian rebellion against the Soviets (1955-56), the rebels felt that the U.S. had given them reason to believe that the U.S. would support their efforts. When the rebellion started in Budapest, however, the U.S. did not provide the expected support and the Soviets pretty quickly squelched the rebellion. This is interesting in light of the facts we know about Janos Pattantyus-Abraham:

- Working in Army intelligence at time of death in 1955
- Still a Hungarian citizen even though in Army (according to his death cert)
- Note on his internment record saying under no circumstances to contact his next of kin as she is "living behind the iron curtain)

I'm not a big conspiracy theory fan, but all of this does make me wonder about what the nature of Janos' work for the Army was, and perhaps even wonder about the circumstances of his being killed in that train wreck.
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Old 01-17-2018, 11:44 AM
 
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Good detective work as well RosieSD.


The way I came upon this was quite by accident, no pun intended. I am looking for a death certificate where the victim was killed by a train in the early 50's and was 30yrs old most likely dying in NC, and this was the first DC that came up and I knew the name wasn't going to be right, but something said to click on it (haven't looked at any other of the 2K+ records that came up).
One of the things I love about doing family research are these weird little things like this that pop up that have absolutely nothing to do with your family.

Sometimes, those things just bug you enough to find out more, and often, they take me down fascinating paths that remind me that history is made up of individual life stories.

For instance, I never would have read up on the 1956 Hungarian rebellion if it wasn't for you posting about Janos and that note on his internment record.

As weird as it may sound, sometimes I can't help feeling like the dead want their stories to be told or at least remembered by someone and that's why things like that note on Janos' record catch our attention.
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Old 01-17-2018, 11:45 AM
 
Location: Colorado (PA at heart)
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Just as PA2UK already pointed out, this is public record AND this individual passed away in 1955. Obviously, you must have commented without even reading the entire post.

He was born in 1921. His only family member listed was his father who probably was born before 1900, and long gone himself.
Not that it matters much, but I think Jan's objection was to the inclusion of the info of the deceased's next of kin since it was the next of kin (NOK) who the record said not to contact. This was a Mrs. - so not the deceased's father, but more likely a mother. Regardless, still likely that the NOK is no longer still living.
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Old 01-17-2018, 06:42 PM
 
Location: Chapel Hill, NC
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Another thing I note is that he died on February 27, 1955 but wasn't actually interned in Arlington until March 21, 1955, three weeks later. I wonder why that was.
I know it can sometimes take awhile to be buried at Arlington. I'm not sure how long the wait was in 1955, but my children's pediatrician in Virginia died last year and was to be buried in Arlington. The wait was a few months until the burial could took place.
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Old 01-17-2018, 08:07 PM
 
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Has anyone with an Ancestry subscription looked for Janos Pattantyus Abraham's passenger manifest?


We might learn when he came to the U.S., nearest relative left behind, and who he was going to in the U.S.


I searched FamilySearch.org without success.
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:10 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Interesting find there westsideboy! If this is the same family, then there is a gap of who this man's mother was because he was born in 1921 and the 2 marriages that are listed are:




Piroska Rickl (1902-1908)
Anna Matild Rucsinszki (1925-1973)
I had posted it in my 1st reply. I'll be shocked if he's not related.
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Old 01-18-2018, 11:11 AM
 
Location: NJ
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Has anyone with an Ancestry subscription looked for Janos Pattantyus Abraham's passenger manifest?


We might learn when he came to the U.S., nearest relative left behind, and who he was going to in the U.S.


I searched FamilySearch.org without success.
Good thought or the Ellis Island site
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