U.S. CitiesCity-Data Forum Index
Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Genealogy
 [Register]
Please register to participate in our discussions with 2 million other members - it's free and quick! Some forums can only be seen by registered members. After you create your account, you'll be able to customize options and access all our 15,000 new posts/day with fewer ads.
View detailed profile (Advanced) or search
site with Google Custom Search

Search Forums  (Advanced)
Reply Start New Thread
 
Old 03-30-2018, 10:29 PM
AFP AFP started this thread
 
6,058 posts, read 3,622,558 times
Reputation: 5229

Advertisements

Quote:
Originally Posted by westsideboy View Post
Thanks. Is Steppe is roughly the Bell Beakers contribution to the European gene pool?
No Bell Beaker was a culture which spread from the Iberian Peninsula it wasn't the spread of genetics.

genetics.Ancient DNA reveals impact of the “Beaker Phenomenon” on prehistoric Europeans - Universitat Autònoma de Barcelona - UAB Barcelona

The Yamnaya spread the steppe component.

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/...cal-population

Last edited by AFP; 03-30-2018 at 10:38 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message

 
Old 03-31-2018, 02:12 AM
 
2,603 posts, read 3,768,521 times
Reputation: 2377
You need to post what populations you match. That is the most informative part. This is a bit off for me although I am half Irish Connacht and half Irish Munster.

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 29.09
2 NorthEastEuropean 27.18
3 Steppe 23.58
4 Caucasian 18.22
5 Indian 1.93

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) 1.97
2 Scottish (Highlands) 2.36
3 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 2.52
4 Irish (Connacht) 2.53
5 English (England) 2.64
6 Irish (Munster) 2.68
7 Scottish (Fife) 2.74
8 Scottish (Grampian) 2.81
9 Irish (Ulster) 2.83
10 English (Cornwall) 2.86
11 French (WestFrance) 2.87
12 Irish (Leinster) 2.92
13 Irish (Cork_Kerry) 2.93
14 Scottish (Borders) 2.96
15 English (Kent) 3.21
16 Dutch (Netherlands) 3.64
17 Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) 4.41
18 Scottish (Argyll_bute) 4.46
19 Welsh (Wales) 4.95
20 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.16

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 86.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 13.2% German (Germany) @ 1.79
2 57.3% Orcadian (Orkney_Islands) + 42.7% German (Germany) @ 1.86
3 71.5% English (Kent) + 28.5% Pole (EastPoland) @ 1.86
4 82% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 18% English (Kent) @ 1.88
5 91.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 8.2% French (France) @ 1.9
6 97.2% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2.8% Italian (Bergamo) @ 1.91
7 57% Scottish (Argyll_bute) + 43% German (Germany) @ 1.91
8 59.4% English (Cornwall) + 40.6% Dutch (Netherlands) @ 1.91
9 98.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.2% Sardinian (Sardinia) @ 1.92
10 82.1% English (Kent) + 17.9% Cossack (Zaporozhie) @ 1.93
11 50.5% German (Germany) + 49.5% Icelandic (Iceland) @ 1.94
12 97.8% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2.2% Spanish (Baleares) @ 1.94
13 98.4% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.6% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 1.94
14 98% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.94
15 98.6% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.4% Greek (Thessaloniki) @ 1.94
16 99.5% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 0.5% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.95
17 98.7% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 1.3% Albanian (Albania) @ 1.95
18 97.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 2.1% Serbian (Serbia) @ 1.95
19 86.9% Shetlandic (Shetland_Islands) + 13.1% English (England) @ 1.95
20 65.2% English (Kent) + 34.8% German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) @ 1.95
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2018, 02:14 AM
 
2,603 posts, read 3,768,521 times
Reputation: 2377
Quote:
Originally Posted by AFP View Post
The Central European Bell Beaker spread the genetics. The Iberian Bell Beakers were obviously a different group genetically than the Central European ones. I doubt they are connected and I think these studies show this.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2018, 02:44 AM
AFP AFP started this thread
 
6,058 posts, read 3,622,558 times
Reputation: 5229
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernie20 View Post
The Central European Bell Beaker spread the genetics. The Iberian Bell Beakers were obviously a different group genetically than the Central European ones. I doubt they are connected and I think these studies show this.


Bell Beaker was a culture that spread to central Europe the original Bell Beaker culture were the Iberians at a later date the Central Europeans that adopted the Bell Beaker culture spread their genetics to the Iberian Peninsula.

Quoted from the first link in post #11.

“In relation to peninsular prehistory, it is made obvious that the genetic composition of the first communities manufacturing metal weapons was quite different from the current societies living in the Iberian Peninsula. Our next challenge is to determine how and when these migrations took place and gave way to the introduction of the 'steppe' component in the Peninsula which is visible today”, Risch adds.
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2018, 02:58 AM
AFP AFP started this thread
 
6,058 posts, read 3,622,558 times
Reputation: 5229
Mine is off with Provencal for sure and with the secondary Balkan populations.



# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 33.34
2 Caucasian 22.1
3 Steppe 18.06
4 NorthEastEuropean 17.17
5 NorthAfrican 4.49
6 NearEast 3.55
7 Ancestor 0.52
8 Subsaharian 0.38
9 Oceanic 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Provencal (Provence) 3.76
2 Spanish (Spain) 4.1
3 Portuguese (Portugal) 4.35
4 Spanish (Baleares) 4.44
5 Spanish (Extremadura) 5.9
6 Italian (Bergamo) 6.5
7 Spanish (Galicia) 6.84
8 Corsican (Corsica) 6.9
9 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.2
10 French (EastFrance) 7.28
11 French (NorthwestFrance) 7.38
12 Spanish (Murcia) 7.48
13 Spanish (Cataluna) 7.53
14 Spanish (Andalucia) 7.69
15 Italian (Friul) 8.04
16 German (Germany) 8.4
17 Italian (NorthIitaly) 8.73
18 Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) 8.75
19 French (France) 8.78
20 Spanish (Valencia) 9.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66% Spanish (Extremadura) + 34% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.84
2 67.7% Spanish (Extremadura) + 32.3% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 1.95
3 71.9% Spanish (Extremadura) + 28.1% Greek (Greece) @ 2
4 57.8% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 42.2% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.02
5 53.8% Spanish (Aragon) + 46.2% Gagauz (Gagauzia) @ 2.03
6 58.5% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 41.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.04
7 63.7% Spanish (Extremadura) + 36.3% Romanian (Gorj) @ 2.05
8 72% Spanish (Extremadura) + 28% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.13
9 56% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 44% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.14
10 81.4% Spanish (Spain) + 18.6% Italian (Abruzzo) @ 2.19
11 85% Spanish (Spain) + 15% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.19
12 70.7% Spanish (Extremadura) + 29.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.19
13 89.6% Spanish (Spain) + 10.4% Jew (Syria) @ 2.23
14 91.9% Spanish (Spain) + 8.1% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.24
15 91.4% Spanish (Spain) + 8.6% Armenian (Erzrum) @ 2.25
16 92.4% Spanish (Spain) + 7.6% Georgian (Kakheti) @ 2.27
17 56% Provencal (Provence) + 44% Spanish (Baleares) @ 2.27
18 91.8% Spanish (Spain) + 8.2% Assyrian (Turkey) @ 2.28
19 87.1% Spanish (Spain) + 12.9% Jew (Algeria) @ 2.28
20 56.9% Spanish (Andalucia) + 43.1% Romanian (Gorj) @ 2.28
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2018, 03:11 AM
 
2,603 posts, read 3,768,521 times
Reputation: 2377
Quote:
Originally Posted by AFP View Post
[/b]

Bell Beaker was a culture that spread to central Europe the original Bell Beaker culture were the Iberians at a later date the Central Europeans that adopted the Bell Beaker culture spread their genetics to the Iberian Peninsula.

Quoted from the first link in post #11.

“In relation to peninsular prehistory, it is made obvious that the genetic composition of the first communities manufacturing metal weapons was quite different from the current societies living in the Iberian Peninsula. Our next challenge is to determine how and when these migrations took place and gave way to the introduction of the 'steppe' component in the Peninsula which is visible today”, Risch adds.
The original Bell Beakers were different genetically than the Central European Bell Beakers. The Central European Bell Beakers have the Steppe component and carry R1b. I've posted about this on this forum a few years ago. The Central European Bell Beakers are the ones who have spread R1b and the Steppe component into most of Europe.

This is a good paper about the Portuguese side of things. You've most like read this AFP?

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...type=printable
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2018, 09:54 AM
AFP AFP started this thread
 
6,058 posts, read 3,622,558 times
Reputation: 5229
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernie20;51476208[B
]The original Bell Beakers were different genetically than the Central European Bell Beakers.[/b] The Central European Bell Beakers have the Steppe component and carry R1b. I've posted about this on this forum a few years ago. The Central European Bell Beakers are the ones who have spread R1b and the Steppe component into most of Europe.

This is a good paper about the Portuguese side of things. You've most like read this AFP?

http://journals.plos.org/plosgenetic...type=printable
Yes that is true and also corroborated in this study.

Quote "In contrast to the events in north-central Europe, the arrival of most of the Yamnaya-related ancestry in Iberia postdates the onset of Bell Beaker pottery in Iberia, suggesting that the Bell Beaker culture spread culturally (48), while steppe ancestry was brought into Iberia through later migrations. Notably, both male Bronze Age Iberian individuals in this study as well as all three Iberian Bronze Age males in ref. 24 carried R1b-M269 Y chromosomes (SI Appendix, Table S4.1) also found with high frequency in individuals associated with the Yamnaya culture, the source population of steppe ancestry (4, 6), indicating a continuing male-driven migration from central Europe into southwestern Europe (8, 24, 53)." End Quote

Quote" Only after the spread of Bell Beaker pottery did steppe-related ancestry arrive in Iberia, where it had smaller contributions to the population compared with the impact that it had in central Europe. This implies that the two prehistoric migrations causing major population turnovers in central Europe had differential effects at the southwestern edge of their distribution:"End Quote

Four millennia of Iberian biomolecular prehistory illustrate the impact of prehistoric migrations at the far end of Eurasia | PNAS

Last edited by AFP; 03-31-2018 at 10:05 AM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2018, 11:37 AM
 
18 posts, read 6,541 times
Reputation: 53
Predominantly ethnic Russian, some Ukrainian.

# Population Percent
1 NorthEastEuropean 37.08
2 Steppe 19.99
3 Neolithic 19.79
4 Caucasian 19.4
5 Amerindian 1.4
6 Siberian 1.03
7 Oceanic 0.77
8 Arctic 0.29
9 NearEast 0.24

# Population (source) Distance
1 Lithuanian (Lithuania) 1.86
2 Russians-West (WestRussian) 2.92
3 Belarusian (Belarus) 3.46
4 Latvian (Latvia) 3.51
5 Estonian (Estonia) 3.8
6 Pole (Poland) 4.28
7 Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) 4.29
8 Latvian_Dobele (Dobele) 4.54
9 Russian (Tver) 4.61
10 Latvian_Cesis (Cesis) 4.65
11 Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) 5.01
12 Russian (CentralRussia) 5.02
13 Belarusian (Zhytkavichy_Homel) 5.45
14 Belarusian_West (WestBelarus) 5.74
15 Cossack (Kuban) 5.81
16 Belarusian_East (EastBelarus) 5.95
17 Ingrians (Ingermanland) 6.17
18 Russian (SouthRussia) 6.26
19 Ukrainians_north (NorthUkraine) 6.45
20 Russian_cossack (Kuban) 6.55

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Quechua (NA) @ 1.38
2 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Colla (NA) @ 1.38
3 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Bolivian (Cochabamba) @ 1.38
4 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Wichi (NA) @ 1.38
5 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Cachi (NA) @ 1.39
6 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Mixe (NA) @ 1.39
7 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Mixtec (NA) @ 1.39
8 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Karitiana (NA) @ 1.39
9 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Zapotec (NA) @ 1.39
10 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Surui (NA) @ 1.39
11 98.9% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.1% Piapoco (NA) @ 1.39
12 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Pima (NA) @ 1.39
13 98.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.2% Mayan (NA) @ 1.39
14 98.3% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 1.7% Athabask (NA) @ 1.45
15 79.4% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 20.6% Ukrainians_east (EastUkraine) @ 1.55
16 80.3% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 19.7% Pole (Poland) @ 1.59
17 83.7% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 16.3% Belarusian (Kobryn_Brest) @ 1.62
18 89% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 11% Ukrainians_west (WestUkraine) @ 1.63
19 86.6% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 13.4% Belarusian_East (EastBelarus) @ 1.64
20 97.8% Lithuanian (Lithuania) + 2.2% Tlingit (NA) @ 1.65

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bernie20 View Post
You need to post what populations you match. That is the most informative part.
Why? I always preferred the component part, which could then be compared to various populations on the table, so that you can see that this person is considerably more Mediterranean than the average Finn, but also less Siberian and more Atlantic, etc. Ideally, of course, you'd have the individual results in the table. The match tool conceals what is it exactly that comprises this or that ethnicity, so there may be plenty of Irish like yourself, but even more self-identified Irish are a bit more southern and western, so you end up showing as someone similar to an average Scot (and you really are genetically more similar to one).

Last edited by Hums; 03-31-2018 at 12:12 PM..
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2018, 12:08 PM
AFP AFP started this thread
 
6,058 posts, read 3,622,558 times
Reputation: 5229
@Bernie20

https://www.biorxiv.org/content/bior...50191.full.pdf

His interpretation of the facts in the link below make a lot of sense to me. The Bell Beaker culture spread from what is now Portugal BTW.

https://forwhattheywereweare.blogspo...-clusters.html
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
 
Old 03-31-2018, 01:17 PM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
577 posts, read 342,994 times
Reputation: 670
Apparently I have some Portuguese as well:
MDLP K16 2xOracle and OracleX4

Admix Results (sorted):

# Population Percent
1 Amerindian 27.71
2 Neolithic 20.86
3 Caucasian 12.21
4 Steppe 11.22
5 NorthEastEuropean 10.47
6 Subsaharian 7.37
7 NorthAfrican 4.98
8 NearEast 4.43


Finished reading population data. 517 populations found.
16 components mode.

--------------------------------

Least-squares method.

Using 1 population approximation:
1 Portuguese_Portugal @ 31.905987
2 Swiss_Switzerland @ 32.490036
3 Tlingit_NA @ 32.955509
4 Provencal_Provence @ 33.259712
5 Spanish_Canarias @ 33.352985
6 Italian_Friul @ 33.461071
7 Austrian_Austria @ 33.504436
8 Irish_Ireland @ 33.509712
9 Spanish_Murcia @ 33.743549
10 Spanish_Extremadura @ 33.790165
11 German_SouthGermany @ 33.866898
12 Dane_Denmark @ 33.920605
13 Italian_NorthIitaly @ 33.991367
14 Jew_Belmonte @ 34.210091
15 Corsican_Corsica @ 34.220787
16 Spanish_Spain @ 34.236519
17 French_NorthwestFrance @ 34.425953
18 Spanish_Galicia @ 34.470360
19 Tatars_Tatarstan @ 34.556583
20 Moldavian_Molodva @ 34.685341

Using 2 populations approximation:
1 50% Athabask_NA +50% Portuguese_Portugal @ 11.999330
Reply With Quote Quick reply to this message
Please register to post and access all features of our very popular forum. It is free and quick. Over $68,000 in prizes has already been given out to active posters on our forum. Additional giveaways are planned.

Detailed information about all U.S. cities, counties, and zip codes on our site: City-data.com.


Reply
Please update this thread with any new information or opinions. This open thread is still read by thousands of people, so we encourage all additional points of view.

Quick Reply
Message:

Over $104,000 in prizes was already given out to active posters on our forum and additional giveaways are planned!

Go Back   City-Data Forum > General Forums > Genealogy
Similar Threads
Follow City-Data.com founder on our Forum or

All times are GMT -6.

© 2005-2018, Advameg, Inc.

City-Data.com - Archive 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, 16, 17, 18, 19, 20, 21, 22, 23, 24, 25, 26, 27, 28, 29, 30, 31, 32, 33, 34, 35 - Top