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Old 04-04-2018, 05:22 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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Mine is off with Provencal for sure and with the secondary Balkan populations.



# Population Percent
1 Neolithic 33.34
2 Caucasian 22.1
3 Steppe 18.06
4 NorthEastEuropean 17.17
5 NorthAfrican 4.49
6 NearEast 3.55
7 Ancestor 0.52
8 Subsaharian 0.38
9 Oceanic 0.37

Single Population Sharing:

# Population (source) Distance
1 Provencal (Provence) 3.76
2 Spanish (Spain) 4.1
3 Portuguese (Portugal) 4.35
4 Spanish (Baleares) 4.44
5 Spanish (Extremadura) 5.9
6 Italian (Bergamo) 6.5
7 Spanish (Galicia) 6.84
8 Corsican (Corsica) 6.9
9 Swiss (Switzerland) 7.2
10 French (EastFrance) 7.28
11 French (NorthwestFrance) 7.38
12 Spanish (Murcia) 7.48
13 Spanish (Cataluna) 7.53
14 Spanish (Andalucia) 7.69
15 Italian (Friul) 8.04
16 German (Germany) 8.4
17 Italian (NorthIitaly) 8.73
18 Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) 8.75
19 French (France) 8.78
20 Spanish (Valencia) 9.15

Mixed Mode Population Sharing:

# Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 66% Spanish (Extremadura) + 34% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.84
2 67.7% Spanish (Extremadura) + 32.3% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 1.95
3 71.9% Spanish (Extremadura) + 28.1% Greek (Greece) @ 2
4 57.8% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 42.2% Kosovar (Kosovo) @ 2.02
5 53.8% Spanish (Aragon) + 46.2% Gagauz (Gagauzia) @ 2.03
6 58.5% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 41.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.04
7 63.7% Spanish (Extremadura) + 36.3% Romanian (Gorj) @ 2.05
8 72% Spanish (Extremadura) + 28% Albanian (Albania) @ 2.13
9 56% Spanish (Castilla_y_Leon) + 44% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 2.14
10 81.4% Spanish (Spain) + 18.6% Italian (Abruzzo) @ 2.19
11 85% Spanish (Spain) + 15% Jew (Ashkenazi) @ 2.19
12 70.7% Spanish (Extremadura) + 29.3% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.19
13 89.6% Spanish (Spain) + 10.4% Jew (Syria) @ 2.23
14 91.9% Spanish (Spain) + 8.1% Assyrian (Armenia) @ 2.24
15 91.4% Spanish (Spain) + 8.6% Armenian (Erzrum) @ 2.25
16 92.4% Spanish (Spain) + 7.6% Georgian (Kakheti) @ 2.27
17 56% Provencal (Provence) + 44% Spanish (Baleares) @ 2.27
18 91.8% Spanish (Spain) + 8.2% Assyrian (Turkey) @ 2.28
19 87.1% Spanish (Spain) + 12.9% Jew (Algeria) @ 2.28
20 56.9% Spanish (Andalucia) + 43.1% Romanian (Gorj) @ 2.28
Is Provencial that far off? It looks like both Ancestry.com and MyHeritage include southern France in their "Iberian" region along with Spain and Portugal.

It is very interesting to me to see the results of people who are of a single known ancestry. My wife, all known family from a small group of Greek Island, has a test pending and I don't know what to expect. Part of me says she will come back Greek + Greek + Greek + Greek, but more likely I will see at least a little "pull" in her Oracle results.

In your case, it seems you have a "pull" towards the South and East. I wonder if you do have more Jewish ancestry than the sample Iberian populations, or if nearly everyone sees something similar happen to them in Oracle.
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Old 04-04-2018, 08:14 PM
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Is Provencial that far off? It looks like both Ancestry.com and MyHeritage include southern France in their "Iberian" region along with Spain and Portugal.

It is very interesting to me to see the results of people who are of a single known ancestry. My wife, all known family from a small group of Greek Island, has a test pending and I don't know what to expect. Part of me says she will come back Greek + Greek + Greek + Greek, but more likely I will see at least a little "pull" in her Oracle results.

In your case, it seems you have a "pull" towards the South and East. I wonder if you do have more Jewish ancestry than the sample Iberian populations, or if nearly everyone sees something similar happen to them in Oracle.
I'm pretty typical for a Portuguese person on Eurogenes K15 I plot just East of Portugal slightly in the direction of North Italy.
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Old 04-04-2018, 08:30 PM
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My Eurogenes 36 compared to some Copper Age Iberian samples.
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Old 04-04-2018, 08:58 PM
 
Location: Cumberland
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I'm pretty typical for a Portuguese person on Eurogenes K15 I plot just East of Portugal slightly in the direction of North Italy.
Yes, very close it seems.

My back of the envelope calculation for the MDLP K16 Portugese reference sample seems to indicate you have about 2.5% more Steppe and Caucasian, which maybe why Oracle is assigning you mostly Spanish groups, not Portugese (for the Steppe component) and some Balkan admix to try and make up that difference in the Caucasian percent.
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Old 04-04-2018, 09:26 PM
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Yes, very close it seems.

My back of the envelope calculation for the MDLP K16 Portugese reference sample seems to indicate you have about 2.5% more Steppe and Caucasian, which maybe why Oracle is assigning you mostly Spanish groups, not Portugese (for the Steppe component) and some Balkan admix to try and make up that difference in the Caucasian percent.
I have some distant Belgian/French ancestry but it's a minor amount and both my parents mtDNA pick up the Suebi migration to the North of Portugal. I do have a higher Caucasian component which I attribute to the Alani(an Iranian tribe) the migration to Portugal occurred about 1,500 years ago and I have found some matches from my extended family that match North Ossetians. Autosomal DNA matches with 7cM segments as well as some Y-DNA matches with North Iranians the split occurred about 2,200 YBP.
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Old 04-04-2018, 11:52 PM
 
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It is very interesting to me to see the results of people who are of a single known ancestry. My wife, all known family from a small group of Greek Island, has a test pending and I don't know what to expect. Part of me says she will come back Greek + Greek + Greek + Greek, but more likely I will see at least a little "pull" in her Oracle results.
My mom's entire family was from Matzgra, Greece. Her siblings & her were all first-generation American born. These are my uncle's results for 4 populations:


Using 4 populations approximation:

1 Albanian_Albania + Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Cypriot_Cyprus + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.107942
2 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.122251
3 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Kosovar_Kosovo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.174619
4 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Kosovar_Kosovo @ 2.176186
5 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Kosovar_Kosovo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.183985
6 Albanian_Albania + Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.221673
7 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.227580
8 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.227750
9 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + German_Germany + Greek_Greece @ 2.228833
10 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Kosovar_Kosovo + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.231224
11 Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.237496
12 Cypriot_Cyprus + German_Germany + Greek_Greece + Greek_Greece @ 2.239211
13 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Greek_Thessaloniki + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.244385
14 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Greek_Thessaloniki + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.246933
15 Albanian_Albania + Albanian_Albania + Cypriot_Cyprus + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.247556
16 Cypriot_Cyprus + German_Germany + Greek_Thessaloniki + Greek_Greece @ 2.248705
17 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Athens + Kosovar_Kosovo + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.249134
18 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Greece + Italian_Tuscany + Serbian_Bosnia-Herzegovina @ 2.252217
19 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Greek_Thessaloniki + Macedonian_Macedonia @ 2.252232
20 Cypriot_Cyprus + Greek_Thessaloniki + Greek_Thessaloniki + Montenegrian_Montenegro @ 2.252280

... They had a grandfather who never immigrated; 6'4" tall, with blonde hair & blue eyes ...
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Old 04-05-2018, 10:04 AM
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Is Provencial that far off? It looks like both Ancestry.com and MyHeritage include southern France in their "Iberian" region along with Spain and Portugal.

It is very interesting to me to see the results of people who are of a single known ancestry. My wife, all known family from a small group of Greek Island, has a test pending and I don't know what to expect. Part of me says she will come back Greek + Greek + Greek + Greek, but more likely I will see at least a little "pull" in her Oracle results.

In your case, it seems you have a "pull" towards the South and East. I wonder if you do have more Jewish ancestry than the sample Iberian populations, or if nearly everyone sees something similar happen to them in Oracle.
I doubt Gedmatch would kick out these sort of estimates for her but keep us updated. Those are the sort of results you see for people that are from relatively isolated, poverty stricken populations that did little trading.
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Old 04-05-2018, 11:30 AM
 
Location: la la land
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I'm 1/2 Scandinavian, 1/4 Spanish Basque 1/4 French Basque

Steppe.........23.81
Indian............1.22
Arctic.............0.61
Australian.......0.61
Caucasian.....14.89
NE European.25.25
Neolithic.......31.37
NorthAfrican...2.25
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Old 04-05-2018, 02:38 PM
 
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Here's mine:

Standard European (1/2 British/Irish, 1/8th Dutch, 1/8th German, 1/8th Ashkenazi Jewish (with what appears to be at least one southern euro grandmother), far back French, far back Italian, one 5th native American great grandmother)

I'm still not 100% sure where the Indian/South Asian keeps coming up. I have some ideas, but I haven't pinpointed the ancestor yet.

Population
Amerindian -
Ancestor -
Steppe 18.53
Indian 2.79
Arctic -
Australian -
Caucasian 23.89
EastAfrican -
NorthEastEuropean 24.48
NearEast -
Neolithic 29.93
NorthAfrican 0.16
Oceanic -
Siberian 0.23
SouthEastAsian -
Subsaharian
My phone won't show the other ones, but they're basically the same but it matches with Dutch and some other things, which make sense...still not sure what these mean exactly.....

Using 4 populations approximation:
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
1 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Shetlandic_Shetland_Islands @ 2.403409
2 Cossack_Zaporozhie + English_England + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.407871
3 Cossack_Zaporozhie + Dutch_Netherlands + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.437436
4 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Fife @ 2.449520
5 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Highlands @ 2.456524
6 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Borders @ 2.464684
7 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Irish_Ulster + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.505522
8 Cossack_Zaporozhie + French_WestFrance + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.507220
9 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Irish_Munster + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.510638
10 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Irish_Leinster + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.527685
11 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Grampian @ 2.532878
12 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Scottish_Dumfries_Galloway @ 2.569220
13 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Irish_Cork_Kerry + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.588570
14 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Germany + Irish_Connacht + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.593245
15 Cossack_Zaporozhie + English_Kent + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.604925
16 Cossack_Zaporozhie + German_Lipsian_(Saxony) + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.616548
17 German_Germany + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo + Ukrainians_north_NorthUkraine @ 2.625545
18 Cossack_Zaporozhie + English_Cornwall + German_Germany + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.640470
19 English_England + German_Germany + Hungarian_Budapest + Italian_Bergamo @ 2.645650
20 Bulgarian_Bulgaria + German_Germany + German_Germany + Scottish_Borders @ 2.650885

*Single Source for me:
(source) Distance
1 German (Germany) 3.69
2 French (EastFrance) 4.19
3 French (NorthwestFrance) 4.21
4 German (SouthGermany) 5.08
5 Welsh (Wales) 5.42
6 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 5.81
7 Croat (Croatia) 5.98
8 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.01
9 Slovenian (Slovenia) 6.04
10 Austrian (Austria) 6.25
11 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.31
12 Scottish (Fife) 6.43
13 French (WestFrance) 6.56
14 Dutch (Netherlands) 6.61
15 Serbian (Serbia) 6.68
16 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 6.72
17 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.81
18 Scottish (Borders) 6.83
19 German (Germany) 6.85
20 English (England) 6.93

& Mixed mode:

Primary Population (source) Secondary Population (source) Distance
1 65.6% German (Germany) + 34.4% Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.25
2 68.7% German (Germany) + 31.3% Serbian (Serbia) @ 2.35
3 93.7% German (Germany) + 6.3% Azerbaijani (Baku) @ 2.36
4 67.7% German (Germany) + 32.3% Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.43
5 94.1% German (Germany) + 5.9% Iran_Mazandrani (Mazandrani) @ 2.44
6 78.9% German (Germany) + 21.1% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 2.44
7 76% German (Germany) + 24% Cossack (Zaporozhie) @ 2.45
8 69.8% German (Germany) + 30.2% Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) @ 2.47
9 92.3% German (Germany) + 7.7% Yaghnobi (Zarafshan¬ ) @ 2.48
10 93.4% German (Germany) + 6.6% Zoroastrian (Iran) @ 2.52
11 93.3% German (Germany) + 6.7% Azerbaijani_Dagestan (Azerbaijan_Dagestan) @ 2.52
12 92.7% German (Germany) + 7.3% Lezgin (Dagestan) @ 2.53
13 93.6% German (Germany) + 6.4% Iranian (Fars) @ 2.53
14 80.3% German (Germany) + 19.7% Romanian (Romania) @ 2.55
15 92.2% German (Germany) + 7.8% Avar (Dagestan) @ 2.57
16 93.7% German (Germany) + 6.3% Iran_Lor (Lor) @ 2.57
17 92.5% German (Germany) + 7.5% Tabasaran (Dagestan) @ 2.57
18 92.3% German (Germany) + 7.7% Dargin (Urkarah) @ 2.57
19 93.5% German (Germany) + 6.5% Kurd (Syria) @ 2.58
20 93.5% German (Germany) + 6.5% Ossetian (North_Ossetia) @ 2.59

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Old 04-05-2018, 02:50 PM
 
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And my dad, basically 75% British/Irish and 1/4 Ashkenazi Jewish, and one Native American 4th great grandmother...who might have only been 1/2, stories are conflicted.


Population
Amerindian 0.44
Ancestor -
Steppe 19.76
Indian -
Arctic -
Australian -
Caucasian 24.72
EastAfrican 0.20
NorthEastEuropean 23.60
NearEast 0.34
Neolithic 30.03
NorthAfrican 0.82
Oceanic 0.06
Siberian -
SouthEastAsian -
Subsaharian -
Okay, it worked on my phone. Guess I just have no patience for it to load. For my dad's side, everyone but his grandfather was English or Irish or Scottish...I wonder why it seems German is more prevalent. His grandmother was descended from French Hugenots...but they came over 400 years or more ago, and mixed with English...I thought. His mom was 1/4 Scottish, 1/4 Irish and the rest English...going back to Ireland/Scotland quickly but Colonial elsewhere...I know they moved a lot, but it seems others with full or dominant English/Irish are matching those populations much more.

# Population (source) Distance
1 German (Germany) 3.57
2 French (EastFrance) 3.93
3 French (NorthwestFrance) 4.05
4 German (SouthGermany) 5.49
5 Welsh (Wales) 5.87
6 Croat (Croatia) 5.9
7 Serbian (Serbia) 6.19
8 Bosnian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.23
9 German_Lipsian ((Saxony)) 6.29
10 Austrian (Austria) 6.31
11 Croat (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.39
12 Slovenian (Slovenia) 6.44
13 Provencal (Provence) 6.58
14 Serbian (Bosnia-Herzegovina) 6.6
15 Montenegrian (Montenegro) 6.8
16 Romanian (Apuseni) 6.9
17 Scottish (Fife) 6.92
18 Scottish (Dumfries_Galloway) 6.95
19 Dutch (Netherlands) 6.97
20 French (WestFrance) 6.98

&


93.8% German (Germany) + 6.2% Georgian (Tbilisi) @ 1.55
2 75.5% German (Germany) + 24.5% Bulgarian (Bulgaria) @ 1.57
3 72.2% German (Germany) + 27.8% Macedonian (Macedonia) @ 1.58
4 93.4% German (Germany) + 6.6% Turk (Trabzon) @ 1.59
5 93.1% German (Germany) + 6.9% Georgian (Megrelia) @ 1.66
6 65.5% German (Germany) + 34.5% Serbian (Serbia) @ 1.7
7 92.8% German (Germany) + 7.2% Adygei (Adygea) @ 1.75
8 67.9% German (Germany) + 32.1% Montenegrian (Montenegro) @ 1.75
9 93.2% German (Germany) + 6.8% Abhkasian (Abkhasia) @ 1.76
10 93.1% German (Germany) + 6.9% Georgians (Zugdidi) @ 1.77
11 93.4% German (Germany) + 6.6% Armenian (Armenia) @ 1.8
12 92.7% German (Germany) + 7.3% Balkar (Kabardino-Balkaria) @ 1.83
13 92.8% German (Germany) + 7.2% Abkhazian_Lykhny (Lykhny) @ 1.85
14 86% German (Germany) + 14% Greek (Macedonia) @ 1.86
15 92.5% German (Germany) + 7.5% Kumyk (Dagestan) @ 1.89
16 93.2% German (Germany) + 6.8% Georgian (Laz) @ 1.9
17 93.6% German (Germany) + 6.4% Jew (Georgia) @ 1.9
18 93.3% German (Germany) + 6.7% Abkhazian (Gudauta) @ 1.9
19 93.2% German (Germany) + 6.8% Georgian (Georgia) @ 1.9
20 93% German (Germany) + 7% Chechen (Chechnya)
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