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Old 07-20-2018, 02:23 PM
 
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I found a rare Lumbee Indian DNA result!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TldVnuFjxws&t=315s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aertMP6zg_Y&t=56s

This young man tested with 23andme and AncestryDNA.

0% Native American.

For those of you not familiar, the Lumbees are a North Carolina state recognized Native American tribe with disputed origins, who have been fighting for federal recognition for many decades. His results give further credence to the genealogy research of Paul Heinegg, which asserts that the Virginia and Carolina Indians were all really descendants of free-colored people who passed as "Indian" during reconstruction.

If you find other interesting DNA results please share.
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Old 07-21-2018, 10:18 AM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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Is obvious they are not Native Americans, they are white people with 10% African.
His results are similar to my results, except I am 26% Native American...!!
Population:
North_Atlantic 19.97
Baltic 7.56
West_Med 17.63
West_Asian 2.81
East_Med 9.84
Red_Sea 3.16
South_Asian -
East_Asian -
Siberian 1.84
Amerindian 26.94
Oceanian -
Northeast_African 1.18
Sub-Saharan 9.08
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Old 07-21-2018, 08:52 PM
 
Location: Baltimore, MD
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Do you have a personal reason for trying to rewrite history?
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Old 07-22-2018, 07:52 PM
 
Location: zippidy doo dah
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I found a rare Lumbee Indian DNA result!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TldVnuFjxws&t=315s


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aertMP6zg_Y&t=56s

This young man tested with 23andme and AncestryDNA.

0% Native American.

For those of you not familiar, the Lumbees are a North Carolina state recognized Native American tribe with disputed origins, who have been fighting for federal recognition for many decades. His results give further credence to the genealogy research of Paul Heinegg, which asserts that the Virginia and Carolina Indians were all really descendants of free-colored people who passed as "Indian" during reconstruction.

If you find other interesting DNA results please share.

To be fair, I've heard others mention that the Native American designation showing up in DNA is generally not East Coast tribes but tends to be more central American. In my own immediate family, there isn't any Native American but I have noticed that those shared matches that come up NA generally have Spanish surnames. My understanding is that the Eastern Tribes just aren't easily identifiable /perhaps more assimilation occurred due to earlier exposure in the colonial period.
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Old 07-22-2018, 10:42 PM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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To be fair, I've heard others mention that the Native American designation showing up in DNA is generally not East Coast tribes but tends to be more central American. In my own immediate family, there isn't any Native American but I have noticed that those shared matches that come up NA generally have Spanish surnames. My understanding is that the Eastern Tribes just aren't easily identifiable /perhaps more assimilation occurred due to earlier exposure in the colonial period.
That is possible.
I would like to see more Lumbee people submitting their DNA results here. Very interesting.
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Old 07-23-2018, 09:48 AM
 
Location: VT; previously MD & NJ
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To be fair, I've heard others mention that the Native American designation showing up in DNA is generally not East Coast tribes but tends to be more central American. In my own immediate family, there isn't any Native American but I have noticed that those shared matches that come up NA generally have Spanish surnames. My understanding is that the Eastern Tribes just aren't easily identifiable /perhaps more assimilation occurred due to earlier exposure in the colonial period.
Many of the east coast tribes were killed by the European settlers. Many more died from smallpox and other diseases brought by the settlers. And many were forced to move west... look up Trail of Tears.
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Old 07-23-2018, 09:53 AM
 
Location: Cumberland
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That is possible.
I would like to see more Lumbee people submitting their DNA results here. Very interesting.
This is were I stand too......interesting but I would want to see many more samples to form any conclusions.

One thing.......even if the NA DNA was only a smallish portion to start, I would think it would be preserved over the generations since these communities most often married among themselves.
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Old 07-23-2018, 11:43 AM
 
Location: Albuquerque NM
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This is nothing new and has been known for at least 10 years. There are already close to 1000 people in the Lumbee DNA Project (now called "Robeson Co., NC American Indian" DNA project) which shows very few have Y-DNA from Native American sources. Overwhelmingly their Y-DNA is European, with African second and Native American a distant third. Same for mtDNA (maternal line) haplogroups, very few are Native American.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...anindian/about
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Old 07-23-2018, 08:53 PM
 
Location: Ozark Mountains
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This is nothing new and has been known for at least 10 years. There are already close to 1000 people in the Lumbee DNA Project (now called "Robeson Co., NC American Indian" DNA project) which shows very few have Y-DNA from Native American sources. Overwhelmingly their Y-DNA is European, with African second and Native American a distant third. Same for mtDNA (maternal line) haplogroups, very few are Native American.

https://www.familytreedna.com/groups...anindian/about
Most of them are from Nigeria ( was looking at the Y-DNA chart you provided above)
How come they are claiming to be Native Americans?
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Old 07-24-2018, 11:18 AM
 
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Certainly no expert here, but I find it odd the DNA was not passed down too. Look at Puerto Rico, the Taino indians, which were basically exterminated with the exception of the women, right around 1500 (give or take a few years). The Taino DNA is still passed along today, so I would think if the Lumbee really were NA, they would still be passing along the DNA.
I wonder if it was just another example of " it was better to be thought of as Native American rather than African American".
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