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Old 05-31-2010, 09:02 PM
 
Location: Little Rock AR USA
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Default Black Dutch

Has anyone heard of an ethnic group referred to as "Black Dutch"? My aunt told me our ancestors were Black Dutch and I know it isn't "African black" because she was a racist and if it had been that she would not have talk about it. She also told at other times our ancestors were "British Royalty" and still other times we were direct descendants of "an Indian Princes". I have since proven that ancestors # 2 & 3 are not valid, but I still don't understand "Black Dutch". Comments please.
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Old 05-31-2010, 09:10 PM
 
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Black Dutch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Elusive Black Dutch of the South (http://www.nativepeoples.com/article/articles/164/1/The-Elusive-Black-Dutch-of-the-South/Page1.html - broken link)

This is what I have found.
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Old 06-01-2010, 05:32 PM
 
Location: Little Rock AR USA
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Black Dutch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The Elusive Black Dutch of the South (http://www.nativepeoples.com/article/articles/164/1/The-Elusive-Black-Dutch-of-the-South/Page1.html - broken link)

This is what I have found.
Thanks, good read, I do appreciate it.
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Old 06-02-2010, 05:07 PM
 
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In my family black Dutch refered to Fair skinned Norsemen who married the black haired German sometime around 1066. In 1600s the Dutch farmers in New Netherland had slaves from Africa who did learn to speak Dutch; in time it became their mother tongue. To date I have not found a church record of a child born to a dutch farmer and his slave - although I did find records of the baptisms of slaves and their childrern in the Dutch church.

AS to the word Mustee, I was taught 60 years ago by victorian grandmothers the term was from the Civil War. This child was the result of a union of the White master and slave. To be truthful I've never researched it any more than I reasearched the Lost Colony at Roanoke. There was a fair amount of movement between the Jews in Brazil and the Dutch on the Receif before hte Dutch rulers were forced out. .

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Old 06-03-2010, 07:37 PM
 
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In my family black Dutch refered to Fair skinned Norsemenwho married the black haired German sometime around 1066. In 1600s the Dutch farmers in New Netherland had slaves from Africa who did learn to speak Dutch; in time it became their mother tongue. To date I have not found a church record of a child born to a dutch farmer and his slave - although I did find records of the baptisms of slaves and their childrern in the Dutch church.

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Sojourner Truth was born into a Dutch-owned slave family. She only spoke Dutch as a child.

Sojourner Truth biography

To the OP--I am of Dutch descent, and my mother's family two generations back were known as the Black <Lastnames>. They had dark hair and olive skin in comparison to their mostly blue-eyed blond neighbors. There is also a Spanish surname in the family, but they came here from The Netherlands. At one time Spain had occupied Holland. Is it possible that the "Black Dutch" were either the result of intermarriage between Dutch and Spanish and/or Spaniards who stayed in Holland?

Not that all Spanish people are darker-haired and olive-skinned, but many are, especially compared to the usually-fair Dutch.
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Old 06-04-2010, 05:41 AM
 
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In Ky., I have very infrequently heard that term. What few times I've heard it was in reference to Melungeons (I have a little in my ancestry), who are relatively common in a few pockets of East Ky., Southwest Va., and Northeast Tenn. (especially around Sneedville, west of Kingsport). They, in general, though not always, have somewhat of a Spanish or Portugeuse, maybe a little Native American Indian thrown in, a Caucasian appearance, but a little darker than most others around them. Neither geneologists nor geneticists have been totally successful in tracing their ultimate ancestry, but their DNA has often shown some Levantine (Middle Eastern) and/or Mediterranean (as in Spanish or Portuguese or Greek or Italian possibly) ancestry along with Scotts/Irish/English, common to Appalachian area, and some Native Indian as well. Some think might be descendents of Spanish or Portuguese sailors that either landed or shipwrecded in New World, probably in Carolinas, with intermarriage with local Indians and/or survivors of Lost Colony of Roanoke (of Sir Walter Raleigh fame). As mentioned, Melungeons often cannont trace their family tree more than a few generations back. Elvis supposedly had both Native American and Melungeon ancestry. Anyway, I heard my mom say I had a little Black Dutch heritage (along with my Cherokee and White heritage), she explained she meant Melungeoin.
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Old 06-04-2010, 08:09 AM
 
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Sojourner Truth was born into a Dutch-owned slave family. She only spoke Dutch as a child.

Sojourner Truth biography

To the OP--I am of Dutch descent, and my mother's family two generations back were known as the Black <Lastnames>. They had dark hair and olive skin in comparison to their mostly blue-eyed blond neighbors. There is also a Spanish surname in the family, but they came here from The Netherlands. At one time Spain had occupied Holland. Is it possible that the "Black Dutch" were either the result of intermarriage between Dutch and Spanish and/or Spaniards who stayed in Holland?

Not that all Spanish people are darker-haired and olive-skinned, but many are, especially compared to the usually-fair Dutch.
There were also some people of Portuguese descent who moved to The Netherlands. Among them were the parents of the philosopher Baruch Spinoza.
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Old 06-05-2010, 06:24 PM
 
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Black Dutch = Melungeon (Google it, it's complicated)
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Old 06-14-2010, 10:50 PM
 
Location: North of the hood, south of the valley
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To the OP--I am of Dutch descent, and my mother's family two generations back were known as the Black <Lastnames>. They had dark hair and olive skin in comparison to their mostly blue-eyed blond neighbors. There is also a Spanish surname in the family, but they came here from The Netherlands. At one time Spain had occupied Holland. Is it possible that the "Black Dutch" were either the result of intermarriage between Dutch and Spanish and/or Spaniards who stayed in Holland?
I think this might be one of the likelier explanations. I know that the "Black Irish" were given their name because of intermarriage with Spaniards. In this case the Spaniards were sailors from the Armada whose ships foundered off the northern coast of Ireland as they tried to circumnavigate the British Isles on their return back to Spain.
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Old 06-27-2010, 05:13 PM
 
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I am communicating with somebody from Holland, and have been for awhile. We met on a music website, and we're both musicians. She is black; not darker-skinned or swarthy, but definitely African. She's absolutely native to Holland (she told me this herself), and I've wondered about this; I don't want to be insulting to her, so I haven't asked. When I saw the title to this thread, I had to take a look. Unfortunately, nothing here so far seems to explain this, except possibly Dutch slavery from the past. Anyone know more about this, specifically?
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