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For Texas. I would move the Green line just a little bit more to the West. It will stop East of the Houston metro area and travel up to Tyler-Longview-Kilgore areas.
Yellow I would also slightly move it to the West. I think the rest is spot on in Texas though you could make an argument that the purple could extend far into West Texas. Might step on some toes here. But Houston's black population keeps it in the yellow. But outside of that, Houston could easily be blue in your map. Same with Dallas.
You can thank the military base for that. It's the same for the Hampton Roads in Virginia. Still, Jacksonville is still easily Southern.
First of all there are three military bases.
But no, its not just the military. There are lots of yankees with no connection to the military whatsoever. Folks who came down for jobs, or who came down for the Florida lifestyle and somehow picked Jax over Tampa, Miami and Orlando.
Have you ever lived in Jacksonville? I did for three years.
Probably 35 to 40% or so of the white population was northern transplants and their florida born children in the mid 80s when I lived there.
But no, its not just the military. There are lots of yankees with no connection to the military whatsoever. Folks who came down for jobs, or who came down for the Florida lifestyle and somehow picked Jax over Tampa, Miami and Orlando.
Have you ever lived in Jacksonville? I did for three years.
Probably 35 to 40% or so of the white population was northern transplants and their florida born children in the mid 80s when I lived there.
Lived but visited many times as I have family there. It's hardly growing at all and it is the 4th largest metro in the state. Not many pick Jax over the other three cities. You cannot deny that much of the new transplants to that area are a result of the military.
Maryland is not part of the south, and thus should not be on the map about the U.S. southern "culture area" in the first place. I am a native Marylander and do not consider myself or Maryland southern.
Lived but visited many times as I have family there. It's hardly growing at all and it is the 4th largest metro in the state. Not many pick Jax over the other three cities. You cannot deny that much of the new transplants to that area are a result of the military.
Has it stopped growing? It was growing rapidly in the 80s, and I am pretty sure in the 90s. The thing about the military is, they transfer in, and then they transfer out. I am quite sure the vast majority of northern transplants in the mid 80s were unconnected to the military. At that time the rust belt was in deep recession, and rustbelt types went to ALL the major florida metro areas.
10% growth in 8 years. You can call that hardly growing at all, if you like. Note 17% growth in the 80s and almost 16% growth in the '90s. That implies a significant transplant population. Which, again, confirms my experience.
This is a map of the Southern cultural area I made.
Green- Deep South, always included.
Yellow- Usually included, alot of influence.
Blue- May or may not be included, influenced by South and other regions.
Purple- Not usually included, just a bit of Southern influence, more influence from other neighboring areas.
Tell me if you think it needs work. Thanks!
I can't quite agree as concerns most of Texas (big surprise for those who know me, huh? LOL).
But seriously, the thing is, the majority of Texas is heavily influenced/affected by Southern history and culture. Even large parts of west Texas. And perhaps most importantly, a majority of west Texans (east of the trans-pecos) consider themselves to live in the South and be Southerners.
Most of Texas has a "western" image (at least largely due to Hollywood movies), but it is essentially a Southern state in all the important components.
It (with the exception of East Texas as seems to be indicated on your map) it is not "southeastern", but the idea and concept of the South is much larger and deeper rooted in history and outlook and things related. To define the South along the lines of the "southeast" and the commonly associated images, is a bit abbreviated (IMHO). The South is
A region -- in the sense of how usually defined and deliniated -- generally involves shared characteristics of the same history and culture and settlement patterns with states. Texas may be "western", but so is Kansas. Neither however, have much in common with one another nor with the Rocky Mountain or Interior Southwest States...which constitute the true West of today.
That Texas is TEXAS, a region of its own, is something most Texans (as well as lots of other Americans) would agree with. But when it is placed within a region, it is essentially a Southern state. The "western" qualities are important, but only as they are contrasting with "eastern". When it comes down to basic affiliation with other states, Texas is more linked to the southeastern states (which furnished most of it original settlers and made the main impact) than to the "West".
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