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Old 07-08-2010, 11:16 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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Why isn't western ND/SD Upper Midwest? There isn't any cultural difference between the western and eastern halves of the Dakotas - it's all Upper Midwest.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:19 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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I would say the cities I listed: Milwaukee, Chicago, Fort Wayne, Detroit, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, and Akron are part of the rust belt region which isn't really part of the upper or lower midwest. It's kind of a middle ground. Cleveland and Detroit are not similar with Minneapolis (Upper Midwest) or Kansas City (lower Midwest). I think it's best the rust belt/great lakes area is it's own seperate, third midwestern region unlike both the upper and lower midwest.

We can divide the Midwest into four regions: Upper Midwest, Western Rust Belt, Lower Midwest, and Great Plains. All four have their own distinct accents. Upper Midwest has the Fargo accent, Rust Belt has the nasally Midwestern accent, Lower Midwest has a southern tinged accent, and the Great Plains have what is generally considered the generic standard American accent.
Having lived in both Michigan and Minnesota, I can vouch for this. Really, cities like Cleveland and Detroit are nothing like St. Paul or Minneapolis. They are much more similar to St. Louis, Kansas City, Indianapolis and Columbus. Upper Midwest is MN, the northern two-thirds of WI, northern IA, ND, SD, the UP, and maybe the northern Lower Peninsula of MI. Great Plains isn't really a region - the Great Plains stretch all the way from northern Saskatchewan to south Texas and cross several regions and cultural zones.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:19 PM
 
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There is a big difference between Eastern and Western South Dakota. Souix Falls is much more Midwestern and looks toward Minneapolis while Rapid City is much more Western and looks toward Denver. It doesn't take long while travelling through SD to realize you're leaving the Midwest and entering the West (culturally atleast). The cornfields stop and the prairies begin.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:30 PM
 
Location: Chicagoland
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Sorry, but yes. Downstate IL is more like Indiana or Arkansas than it is like Chicago. Chicagoland looks and feels like WI, only with more people. Chicagoland is also a lot greener with more trees and water features than Downstate IL, very similar to Southern WI. Downstate IL also tends to be very conservative, whereas Chicago and WI tend to be on the more progressive side.
You really have no idea.

Of course downstate Illinois is more Conservative, but you specifically compared it to the Milwaukee area which is the most conservative area in the state!:



And then to compare it Arkansas!?

This whole post is crazy.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:35 PM
 
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nevermind
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:48 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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I would say the cities I listed: Milwaukee, Chicago, Fort Wayne, Detroit, Grand Rapids, Cleveland, and Akron are part of the rust belt region which isn't really part of the upper or lower midwest. It's kind of a middle ground. Cleveland and Detroit are not similar with Minneapolis (Upper Midwest) or Kansas City (lower Midwest). I think it's best the rust belt/great lakes area is it's own seperate, third midwestern region unlike both the upper and lower midwest.

We can divide the Midwest into four regions: Upper Midwest, Western Rust Belt, Lower Midwest, and Great Plains. All four have their own distinct accents. Upper Midwest has the Fargo accent, Rust Belt has the nasally Midwestern accent, Lower Midwest has a southern tinged accent, and the Great Plains have what is generally considered the generic standard American accent.
Finally, now this is something I can agree with. I grew up in the Fox Cities and, you're right, they're a lot more like MN than they are like Milwaukee. Madison is a weird one, close to Rust Belt cities like Janesville and Rockford, as well as places like WI Dells and Beaver Dam that are definitely more Upper Midwest. It's sort of it's own little world, which is funny because conservatives call Madison "78 sq. miles surrounded by reality."
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:49 PM
 
Location: Kentucky
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Southeast Missouri is more southern in culture than Midwestern.

And where in the heck did the OP come up with Caruthersville? Don't get me wrong, I think it's cool that you mention it because it's close to where I'm from, but it's not quite a famous city.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:50 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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Why isn't western ND/SD Upper Midwest? There isn't any cultural difference between the western and eastern halves of the Dakotas - it's all Upper Midwest.
IDK about that. The western portions of those states are more like Montana and Wyoming.
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Old 07-08-2010, 11:59 PM
 
Location: Lower East Side, Milwaukee, WI
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You really have no idea.

Of course downstate Illinois is more Conservative, but you specifically compared it to the Milwaukee area which is the most conservative area in the state!:



And then to compare it Arkansas!?

This whole post is crazy.
Way to twist everything around. First of all, I said Chicagoland is more like WI (the whole state not just Milwaukee) than it is like Downstate IL. Second, I said Chicagoland LOOKED like SOUTHERN WI, not Southeastern WI. Big difference. Southern WI includes Madison, Janesville, and Beloit as well as Kenosha, Racine, and Milwaukee (all of whom voted for Obama btw).

Oh, and I was kidding when I compared Southern IL to Arkansas. I was just trying to say how different it is from Chicagoland.
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Old 07-09-2010, 12:05 AM
 
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Again, nevermind.
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