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Old 07-15-2010, 03:13 PM
 
Location: The canyon (with my pistols and knife)
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Then what region do those areas fit with? Northeast? Midwest? Not really. Those ares fit with the South more than any other region.
Bull****! Look at my two locations! If Pittsburgh or anywhere near it were even remotely Southern, then I never would have experienced the degree of culture shock that I did upon arriving in Athens, GA. Athens, GA is Southern. Pittsburgh is Northeastern...interior Northeastern. There is such a thing. Go to Pittsburgh and tell somebody that they live in the South, and see if they don't laugh you out of town.

In your Northeast thread, you admitted that the Northeast is the region that you know the least about, and the fact that you think any part of southwestern Pennsylvania "fits more with the South than anywhere else" is absolute proof of this.

Find Summersville, WV on a map; draw a line east and west through it, and start a new map of the South south of that line.
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Old 07-15-2010, 03:51 PM
 
Location: Southern Minnesota
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I never said Pittsburgh was Southern (it certainly is not), just EXTREME southwestern PA and West Virginia. West Virginia IS a Southern state. It's Appalachian South. It used to be part of Virginia. It's the South.
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Old 07-15-2010, 04:08 PM
 
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Jefferson County, Sainte Genevieve County and Perry County really should not be on the map as Southern.
Having grown up in Ste Gen county, and knowing how overwhelmingly Catholic that county is, and Perry, for that matter, its really Midwestern.
The people that live there do not identify themselves in any way with the South.
Good post, Imperialmog.
The religion and ethnic divide (mostly French/German) of those counties puts in the Lower Midwest group. Those divides should be a good basis for determining what culture is dominant.

Though there is some interesting observation that in the Lower Midwest Catholics do tend to be more devout than other Midwestern and Northeastern areas. I am not sure why its the case but it might be connected to bordering the South since Southern Catholics are also more devout than in other parts of the country. Is it a possible side effect of the Bible Belt having an infulence on non-Evangelicals where they are more devout in their faith?
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Old 07-15-2010, 04:30 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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The religion and ethnic divide (mostly French/German) of those counties puts in the Lower Midwest group. Those divides should be a good basis for determining what culture is dominant.

Though there is some interesting observation that in the Lower Midwest Catholics do tend to be more devout than other Midwestern and Northeastern areas. I am not sure why its the case but it might be connected to bordering the South since Southern Catholics are also more devout than in other parts of the country. Is it a possible side effect of the Bible Belt having an infulence on non-Evangelicals where they are more devout in their faith?
Being a recovering Catholic myself, and from Catholic family on both sides with very deep roots in the area, I think it has more to do with the rural life.
Women in my family went to 6AM Mass every morning, fed the family, did housework, chores, or went to work, and then off to 6PM Mass in the evenings.
I asked some of the older women why they did this, and was told that this was basically how they had been raised, and going to Mass was also a way to socialize.
I really dont think in my corner of Mo that evangelical has anything to do with it, it didnt exist there 30 years ago, and still only has a toehold in Ste Gen and Perry Counties.
Interesting question, and really made me think about it!
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Old 07-15-2010, 05:07 PM
 
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People are very inclusive with what they consider "The South". I think you did a good job, but being from Alabama I can tell you most real Southerners don't consider some of those areas "The South." Most of us consider the southeast region below Tennessee but including VA and WV. I think people need to realize that a place having southern ideals and speaking with a southern accent can be found anywhere in this country. These ideals are things learned and taught they are not genetic and can be found anywhere even the accent. The accent a lot of the time comes from living in a rural area in my opinion.

I personally do not consider Texas part of the South, and some of those areas on the map are a little bit too North. But what is with everyone wanting to say they're from the South? Does it give some sense of inclusion or something? I hate when I hear people say they from the South and I ask them where and they say Colorado.

But this is just my opinion, and I'm being more exclusive and considering what most of you have said is the Deep South.
um, you cant find southern accents and southern ideals anywhere in the country. you can find them in the south. thats it. and yes, this map includes way too much of ohio and indiana with the south but thats because those areas DONT have southern accents or values. like flyingwriter said, go to rural minnesota and compare the values and the accents.

and you consider virginia and west virginia the south, but not kentucky or tennessee (and north carolina maybe, its not below tennessee?). thats seems strange. all these states are pretty similar. especially KY, TN, VA, and southern WV. dont see how you could justify including some and not the other
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Old 07-15-2010, 05:07 PM
 
Location: Washington D.C. By way of Texas
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I never said Pittsburgh was Southern (it certainly is not), just EXTREME southwestern PA and West Virginia. West Virginia IS a Southern state. It's Appalachian South. It used to be part of Virginia. It's the South.
C'mon now. You're grasping here. There is nothing Southern about Southwestern PA. I'll give you West VA. But not one square mile of Pennsylvania is Southern.
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:27 PM
 
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C'mon now. You're grasping here. There is nothing Southern about Southwestern PA. I'll give you West VA. But not one square mile of Pennsylvania is Southern.
Not even a square inch is, really. For that matter, not all of West Virginia is either.

As for West Virginia being part of Virginia, and therefore being "Southern" by extension...uh, there's a reason why West Virginia broke away from Virginia in 1863, right smack-dab in the middle of the Civil War: because it wasn't in their best interest to be part of the Confederacy. Sure, some of the southern counties may have been pro-Confederacy, but none of the northern counties were. West Virginia is no more Southern than Missouri is.
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:30 PM
 
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Not even a square inch is, really. For that matter, not all of West Virginia is either.
Didnt West Virginia break off from the main state due to issues such as slavery, etc?
I seem to remember reading something about that in history class a long time ago....
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:36 PM
 
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Didnt West Virginia break off from the main state due to issues such as slavery, etc?
I seem to remember reading something about that in history class a long time ago....
I added to my previous post to detail exactly that. Some of the southern counties in West Virginia were pro-Confederacy, but they were far outnumbered by all the northern counties that were pro-Union.
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Old 07-15-2010, 08:40 PM
 
Location: Silver Springs, FL
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I added to my previous post to detail exactly that. Some of the southern counties in West Virginia were pro-Confederacy, but they were far outnumbered by all the northern counties that were pro-Union.
Thanks!
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