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Old 08-11-2017, 11:47 AM
 
Location: North Dakota
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Forgive me for reviving this thread. I thought of the West/Midwest transition zones last weekend as I drove into Theodore Roosevelt National Park. With the route I took, the transition was stark once I crossed the Missouri River. It wasn't long before I felt like I had exited the Midwest. It's fun to see those changes in the Dakotas and Nebraska.

Three questions I'm going to ask on here? If you're looking at the cultural aspect of the West, do you think the Pacific Northwest is different enough to be called a separate regions in its own right? And if so, where does that start? I think the Cascades marks the dividing line.

What about the Southwest? Is that a distinctive region in its own right? Culturally it seems to have lots of similarities with the Mountain West, but are there enough differences that it is its own separate region?

Lastly, is California part of the West? Geographically I would agree, but culturally it's quite different from the Mountain West.
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Old 08-11-2017, 11:59 AM
 
Location: Denver
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Coming from the south, I think California and Colorado are "west" and shouldn't need to be separate. They are in different regions but I see plenty of similarities. I felt like I was solidly in the west somewhere in between Witchita Falls and Amarillo. Seattle is very west too. It's a subregion of the west like the mountain west is, in my opinion.
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Old 08-11-2017, 02:27 PM
 
Location: Bel Air, California
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shouldn't we be discussing what it is that brings us together and not what separates us?


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Old 08-11-2017, 04:24 PM
 
Location: North Dakota
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shouldn't we be discussing what it is that brings us together and not what separates us?


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So that separates or brings us together?
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Old 08-12-2017, 03:56 AM
 
Location: The Heart of Dixie
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I consider Fort Worth, Denver, and Colorado Springs to be the easternmost Western cities. I consider Kansas City and Topeka to be Midwestern, not Western. Omaha is also a Midwest city, not Western.

I think when it comes to where the West begins its pretty clear unlike the border between North and South. For example Denver and CS are easternmost western cities but they're NOT westernmost Midwest cities. There's nothing Midwest about Denver and nothing Western about Kansas City or Topeka.
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Old 08-12-2017, 04:41 AM
 
Location: Pueblo CO
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It starts in Denver. Denver is that Gateway to the West. Now gives us the Arch, St. Louis
I agree with you "denverian"....if you want to consider the "Rockies" or Denver ("the Spine of the U.S." as some have called them) as the 'physical' starting point of the West then you are correct. I once said to someone "why so many Midwesterners here in Denver?" He said: "They made it this far (from the East) so why go over the mountains?" To lazy or they lost their adventureous spirit. Since you obviously live in Denver did you know Denver grew on a LIE? They found no gold there...haha. It's in the Colorado history museum in Denver.
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Old 08-12-2017, 05:11 AM
 
Location: Pueblo CO
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Forgive me for reviving this thread. I thought of the West/Midwest transition zones last weekend as I drove into Theodore Roosevelt National Park. With the route I took, the transition was stark once I crossed the Missouri River. It wasn't long before I felt like I had exited the Midwest. It's fun to see those changes in the Dakotas and Nebraska.

Three questions I'm going to ask on here? If you're looking at the cultural aspect of the West, do you think the Pacific Northwest is different enough to be called a separate regions in its own right? And if so, where does that start? I think the Cascades marks the dividing line.

What about the Southwest? Is that a distinctive region in its own right? Culturally it seems to have lots of similarities with the Mountain West, but are there enough differences that it is its own separate region?

Lastly, is California part of the West? Geographically I would agree, but culturally it's quite different from the Mountain West.
Well NDak15 1) you seem to agree with my earlier post of the "air change" between East and West near Huron SD at the James River...that's a big change IMO; 2) Pacific NW? I agree the Cascades mark the change...East of them is desert and dry air. I lived in Portland OR once and could see this change ie. at Pendleton OR; 3) Southwest? Rand McNally has the 4 Southwestern states as TX, OK, NM, and AZ. I've lived in all of them. You can argue TX but that is only due to its' size ie, "W's..other country"...haha. Most of those states are high desert and all semi-arid. AZ is so HOT some have said it will revert to its' original landscape of PURE desert and/or a "heat island": the population there have WAY surpassed what a sq mi of desert can support. They'll tell that to Coloradoans when they want MORE water from the Colorado river...haha; 4)California West? A no brainer. "Culturally different" all due to migration from the East (as you know) for those "LALA land" folks wanting some real estate next to the Pacific. CA could also be another country (like TX)...in fact in sq mi it's our 3rd largest state and way to many people for me. National Geographic once did an article on CA and divided it between the Northern and Southern "kingdoms" which probably separate somewhere South of SFO bay along with the weather.
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Old 08-12-2017, 06:27 AM
 
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Abilene/Baird/Clyde,Texas in my experience.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:02 AM
 
Location: Arvada, CO
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About 100 degrees West. AKA, anywhere it doesn't get reliably humid.
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Old 08-12-2017, 09:58 AM
 
Location: Dallas, Texas
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If the county is just divided into East and West. I feel like the Eastern line of North Dakota down to the TX-LA line is what divides the East from the West.

If there were a "Central" category I def think those light red states in the one graphic would be considered that.
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