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Old 01-30-2015, 03:29 PM
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I agree with the mutiplication theory. I would say it also applies for Scotch-Irish because I don't believe there are just 5 million in America. Colonial ancestry is very underestimate
The theory only applies if most of your ancestors from before the late 1800s were living in the US. A simple way to find the max possible colonial ancestry is just by process of elimination. For example, if records are correct, only 1/8 of my ancestry could be colonial. A large portion of people's ancestors of that era must be non-colonial. In 1900, 40% of the white population was either foreign born or had both parents foreign born (another 8% had one foreign born, one native parent — interestingly father born father / native mother has always been more common than the reverse). The West was slightly lower, south much lower but it was so different that it should be treated as a completely different population from the rest of the country.

http://www.demographicchartbook.com/...109&Itemid=110

So, on average at least in the North, at least 40% of a white person's ancestors is non-colonial. Since immigration wasn't even in the north — usually less in rural areas except in the Upper Midwest, and immigrants tended to cluster, there's probably a large variation with many whites being mostly colonial stock and others mostly not.

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Old 03-26-2015, 05:52 PM
 
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Just saw this the other day, and thought of this thread.

23andme looked at the amount of "British/Irish" (they're close enough it's hard to disentangle them genetically) ancestry results for white Americans by state.

I think the map speaks for itself. Note that "Anglo" Americans are, on average, only majority British in a few southern states. But they are more than 20% in every single state.
Interesting find. Not a surprise to see Southern whites are overwhelmingly of British ancestry and British ancestry is least common in Wisconsin, Minnesota and North Dakota (the German/Scandinavian heartland).
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Old 03-26-2015, 06:18 PM
 
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I would say it also applies for Scotch-Irish because I don't believe there are just 5 million in America. Colonial ancestry is very underestimate
"Scotch-Irish" seems to be a working class/rural Southern identity. Even if more English indentured servants settled in the South than Ulster Irish.

But most people of Irish Protestant background write Irish ancestry on the census, if they're not leaving it blank or just putting in "American."
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Old 03-26-2015, 09:52 PM
 
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Here's the foreign stock white population (in thousands) by state in 1900 - ranked by % of white population.

ND 245 (79%)
MN 1,310 (75%)
WI 1,472 (72%)
RI 274 (65%)
SD 245 (64%)
MA 1,738 (63%)
UT 169 (62%)
NY 4,306 (60%)
MT 133 (59%)
CT 520 (58%)
MI 1,372 (57%)
NV 20 (57%)
CA 759 (54%)
NJ 965 (53%)
IL 2,464 (52%)
NE 503 (48%)
WA 231 (47%)
WY 42 (47%)
IA 958 (43%)
ID 154 (42%)
CO 217 (41%)
NH 169 (41%)
PA 2,414 (39%)
OH 1,410 (35%)
OR 139 (35%)
VT 117 (34%)
MD 273 (29%)
ME 199 (29%)
KS 402 (28%)
MO 743 (25%)
DE 36 (23%)
LA 160 (22%)
IN 506 (21%)
TX 467 (19%)
FL 43 (14%)
KY 189 (10%)
WV 71 (8%)
AR 47 (5%)
TN 58 (4%)
VA 52 (4%)
AL 44 (4%)
MS 28 (4%)
GA 38 (3%)
SC 17 (3%)
NC 13 (1%)
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Old 03-27-2015, 01:57 PM
 
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"But most people of Irish Protestant background write Irish ancestry on the census, if they're not leaving it blank or just putting in "American."
The real problem is the name, we called them Scotch-Irish but they have no Irish ancestry at all, they are of Scottish and northern English descent. Ulster Scots or just Ulster Americans would be a better choice, like that we wouldn't confuse them with Irish Catholics and there would be no identity problem.
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Old 03-27-2015, 02:39 PM
 
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And to Smash XY: most of those fighting were of British Isles descent. The largest ethnic group were African Amarican and then Indian American, possibly French American. But German American? More rubbish. Why do Germans want to dominate everything even when facts are not true. You try and dominate Europe, but with Syria/Iraq you send no troops and don`t send in your aircraft .People in Britain don`t respect Germany at all. Modern America is very german.
This post reeks of insecurity and you clearly have an anti German bias whether you want to want to admit it or not. I'm not sure why you have such an issue with how Americans identify their ancestry (note: that's Americans, so not sure where your "German world/continent domination" narrative is coming from as they have nothing to do with this).

To your main point, I find it hard to believe that there are more people of German ancestry than English in this country given how far back the English roots go. In certain regions such as the Midwest and pockets of the Northeast I can clearly see the German influence, but not generally across the USA. Regardless of numbers, most Americans likely have more connections to Britain than any continental Euro country for one simple reason: common language. For example, my ancestry is more than 50% German and virtually zero English, but I am 100% certain I have more in common with the average Englishman than I do the average German. I can watch and comprehend their local sports and news broadcasts, I can listen to their music and understand the meaning, I can read their newspapers and magazines, I can watch their TV shows and movies, etc. I am sure most Americans of European ancestry are the same way. And this would be the case regardless of how many Americans claim German ancestry over English. I just don't get how/why Americans identifying their ancestry a certain way rustles your jimmies so much. How does it effect your life in any way?
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Old 03-27-2015, 04:36 PM
 
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I`m only jealous of your football team, really. I am sure most Americans who claim English blood probably have German blood, and vice-virsa. I am though seriously surprised and impressed that most Americans know their ancestry down to the smallest percentage...
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Old 03-27-2015, 04:37 PM
 
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I meant German football team, er, not the USA
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Old 03-29-2015, 02:24 PM
 
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UT 169 (62%)
Utah is interesting with 62% of the population being of foreign stock in 1900, with the largest number by far hailing from England. Utah has the highest percentage declaring English ancestry among states, and the Mormons were obviously successful getting recruits from England. English ancestry in Utah is more recent than it is in the South, and more likely to be remembered.
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Old 03-30-2015, 01:21 PM
 
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Utah is interesting with 62% of the population being of foreign stock in 1900, with the largest number by far hailing from England. Utah has the highest percentage declaring English ancestry among states, and the Mormons were obviously successful getting recruits from England. English ancestry in Utah is more recent than it is in the South, and more likely to be remembered.

I heard Mormons were very interessed in genealogy and ancestry stuff. The headquarter of Ancestry.com is in Provo, UT.

In 1980, 54 % of Utah's population were of English ancestry, it was the highest percentage for a single ethnic group in a state even before German ancestry (51 % in Wisconsin).

I'd think that the state with the most English ancestry would be in New England or a southern state but Utah doesn't necessarily come to mind. Southern Idaho also have a high percentage of English ancestry
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