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Old 03-30-2015, 01:57 PM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Originally Posted by Smash XY View Post
I heard Mormons were very interessed in genealogy and ancestry stuff. The headquarter of Ancestry.com is in Provo, UT.

In 1980, 54 % of Utah's population were of English ancestry, it was the highest percentage for a single ethnic group in a state even before German ancestry (51 % in Wisconsin).

I'd think that the state with the most English ancestry would be in New England or a southern state but Utah doesn't necessarily come to mind. Southern Idaho also have a high percentage of English ancestry
It's not just that in the 19th century the Mormons recruited a lot of people directly from England. It's also because the ethnogenesis of Mormons as a group was among old-stock Yankees from Upstate NY, before other groups (Irish, French Canadians, etc) diluted Yankee ancestry much.
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Old 03-30-2015, 02:00 PM
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Originally Posted by King of Kensington View Post
Here's the foreign stock white population (in thousands) by state in 1900 - ranked by % of white population.

ND 245 (79%)
MN 1,310 (75%)
WI 1,472 (72%)
RI 274 (65%)
SD 245 (64%)
MA 1,738 (63%)
UT 169 (62%)
NY 4,306 (60%)
MT 133 (59%)
CT 520 (58%)
MI 1,372 (57%)
NV 20 (57%)
CA 759 (54%)
NJ 965 (53%)
IL 2,464 (52%)
NE 503 (48%)
WA 231 (47%)
WY 42 (47%)
IA 958 (43%)
ID 154 (42%)
CO 217 (41%)
NH 169 (41%)
PA 2,414 (39%)
OH 1,410 (35%)
OR 139 (35%)
VT 117 (34%)
MD 273 (29%)
ME 199 (29%)
KS 402 (28%)
MO 743 (25%)
DE 36 (23%)
LA 160 (22%)
IN 506 (21%)
TX 467 (19%)
FL 43 (14%)
KY 189 (10%)
WV 71 (8%)
AR 47 (5%)
TN 58 (4%)
VA 52 (4%)
AL 44 (4%)
MS 28 (4%)
GA 38 (3%)
SC 17 (3%)
NC 13 (1%)
This thread will never die...

Not surprised to see that the southern states have the lowest percentages of foreign-born in 1900. The great wave of European immigration just passed them by. Looking at the top states, I noticed WI/MN/SD/ND, all over 60%, with most coming from Germany and Scandinavia; RI and MA have high percentages with the bulk coming from Ireland and Italy ( esp RI for the latter)..
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Old 03-30-2015, 02:24 PM
Location: Ontario
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English since they just spawned children until mass immigration in the 1860's. White Americans look like Englishmen and Australians, not quite as much Germans.
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Old 03-30-2015, 02:44 PM
Location: Pittsburgh, PA (Morningside)
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Originally Posted by limelightkid View Post
English since they just spawned children until mass immigration in the 1860's. White Americans look like Englishmen and Australians, not quite as much Germans.
Again, I just don't get these comments.

Here is a facial composite of the Average "white" American man:

Here's the average English man:

Here's the average German man:

To my mind, the American face looks pretty equidistant between the two.
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Old 03-30-2015, 03:20 PM
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Looks like Michael Owen to me
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Old 11-08-2015, 02:42 PM
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Many German Americans trace routes from NW Germany (Low Saxony, Frisia etc.). Most of them mixed with Dutch, Scandinavian, or Celtic (Brythonic - Welsh, Cornish - or Gaelic : Scottish, Irish etc.) Americans.
The English people themselves are a mixture of Celtic, Scandinavian and "Anglo-Saxon" (= Germanic tribes from what are now the Low Countries and NW Germany). It explains why, despite their are ~ 50 millions of Americans of German descent, most of them look "English".
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Old 01-05-2016, 11:35 AM
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Originally Posted by Norse View Post
Ok, just needed to post because this age old arguement needs to to be put to rest. Americans have become such German wannabes and self haters its ridiculous.

Firstly, immigration:

People from the British isles have been immigrating to this country in mass numbers SINCE colonial times. Lets backtrack a little the largest wave of Germans came in the 19th century, the greatest number was 6 million. What are you smoking to think 6 million German Americans could outnumber/outbreed the population of British Americans who have been migrating for hundreds of years in such a short time? Clearly nowhere near 40 or 50 million. The real German American input should be much lower & far less than even 20 million (Even today Caucasians from the British Isles still make up the bulk of European immigrants). Some people claim most Americans in the Midwest are German. Ok, lets examine that theory for a minute, all those states have relatively small populations and even if they were all "100% German states" they would not NEARLY have the number to make up 50 million, i mean c'mon.

The problem is here, German is foreign to Americans. You have a lot of Americans who don't know their ancestries past 3 generations so they either A) Lie, don't know what they are. B) Pick the most recent ethnicity ignoring their ancestors. English has blended in and become synonymous with "American", American culture is dominantly Anglo, its not as foreign, not as desired.

Secondly, Phenotype & Genetic Data:

No matter where you go in the United States. You will not find many White Americans who look like Til Sweiger or even Arnold Swarzenegger. Germans & Scandinavians look quite foreign next to the Typical white American who looks clearly of British isles origin (Note, German/Scandinavian phenotype =/= Blonde, blue eyed most Scandinavians have a clearly baltid influenced head shape that is foreign in America). Just because you're blonde does not mean you look like other blondes. Just like just because you're blonde doesn't mean you have a Nordic skull shape. As most Scandinavians are not Nordic in phenotype. They are Crogmagnid/Baltid. I don't know where the all Germans/Scandinavians blonde stereotype comes from anyway. Far from the truth, but its a moot point really because nearly ALL German Americans came from the South and this number also included non ethnic Germans. The South is ethnically different from the North. You have Germans who are darker in pigmentation & hair color and A LOT also have Slavic input from the history with their border they had with Poland.

Do you find this to be more typical of White Americans

or these obvious British isles types that can be found in all corners of America.

One was Australian, Two were Brits (and i gurantee you if i asked Americans to distinquish the brits they would be lost. One is rather easy because he has a cricket bat, the other not so much as he has a look that is pretty uber white american) & the rest American. Yet all of them are not foreign in any of those 3 countries. These are more or less the faces of the majority of entertainers, news anchors, and politicians of the US, Canada, & Australia. Add in the fact that most presidents were predominantly of English/British isles ancestry. That is no coincidence. If all your politicians look like it, if all your entertainers look like it then you can only be mostly it!

For every typical American white actor/actress there is a British look alike counterpart.

British isles ancestry is terribly underreported in the US, there's no way around it when all the evidence shows it. I am not shocked that its this way. Americans confuse phenotypes a lot and many of them don't even know what terms like "Nordic" actualy mean. I bet if half actually visited England they would see there is no extreme difference in how the British look from typical Americans.

This is an English guy

He could easily come here, put on a fake American accent and NOONE would question whether he's American or not (Hell i recall some Americans not even knowing Christian Bale, Scott Speedman, & Kate Bekinsale was british) because his look is found everywhere in America where there is a strong white population. I see this type almost everyday.

Not even in Minnesota (the state claimed as Nordic land) do typical white americans look Scandinavian. It doesn't matter who you compare. Politicians, Actors, Singers, Pornstars the bulk of them look no different than typical Anglos in other Anglo dominated countries. Canadians (who are also mostly of british isles descent) as well as Australians ultimately don't look that much different from typical white Americans. Canadian actors can come here and pass as a typical White American (and Canada has an even smaller German input than America). Most people might think most of our actors in our Tv shows are American? NOPE, a lot of them are actualy Australian, British, & Canadian import actors like they were in Legend of the Seeker, Spartacus, Battlestar Gallactica, and many other mainstream television shows. Yet an American sees them as a typical White American when they don't use their accents. Thats more than enough evidence of who the real majority is. British people can (and have) easily come to the United States and fit in with the typical WASP population of America. Ive been to England, and honestly its like being in a less obese America.

TheApricity, Forumbiodiversity, most Americans who post their 23andme results (DNA testing) on these forums cluster with the UK more than anything. Not Germany. And most foreign people on these antropology sites who visit America come to the same conclusion. The majority of the whites look like whites from the British isles and other Anglo dominated nations such as New Zealand, Canada, Australia etc.

What America does have, is a load of Germaphiles. I don't understand for the life of me why more Americans aren't more proud of their British ancestries they invented & contributed a hell of a lot more to the modern world than Germans did in all fields, Be proud.

Third, Surnames:

Don't be silly. The assumption that EVERY single German American family could have Anglicised their names is extremely ridiculous and unfounded. As there are Italians and many other groups who still retain their original surnames. Heh, you could also turn that around and say how do you know that many of those Germans weren't actually German jews? or that many of the existing German surnames were not ethnic Germans. You could even go a bit further and say how do you know many of the people who report German ancestry could have had some non ethnic German speaking ancestor? I knew a guy who up until a few days ago thought his family was primarily German & Irish. Turns out he's mostly of English stock.

Regardless of African Americans having English names. If the so called German Americans were as high as the number claimed they were, you better be damn well you would see German surnames somewhere in the top & yet you do not.

Using the Census is pretty much useless at this point since demographers have already agreed that it was an overcount. Not to mention non ethnics & mixed people are also counted which renders its pretty inacurate. Irish are another group that should not be as high, as many of them AREN'T ethnic. The majority of Irish Americans were actualy Ulster-Scots.......see, the census doesn't project reality well at all. Keep in mind this is a census that also includes Arabs as white & also includes Hispanics as an ethnic group,

Fact is, the British component is the strongest in Whites of the Anglosphere. Most German Americans are not even close to being pure. Many Americans are mixed, but that does not negate the fact that the British component is strongest. Other white Americans will almost ALWAYS have English, Scottish, Welsh, or Irish input. Even the two Dutch presidents had British isles input & even the current Black one has British isles input. Americans just love overestimated non british isles ancestries i blame part of this on making
"English" synonymous with "American".
In PA, excluding the Philly region, the first guy is a much more common look trust me I've lived here 20+ years
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Old 01-05-2016, 03:59 PM
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First ancestry reported (no overlap):

British/American 45,418,868 15%
German/Swiss 33,963,391 11%

British/American includes American, unspecified British, English, Scots-Irish, Scottish and Welsh ancestry. German/Swiss includes German, German Russian, Pennsylvania German and Swiss ancestry.

English alone and German are probably about the same, but there's almost certainly more British than German ancestry in America.

First ancestry represents 69% of all English ancestry and 71% of all German ancestry, so there's no reason to believe that using first ancestry "favors" one or the other.
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Old 01-05-2016, 04:16 PM
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For Pennsylvania and the Midwest. Scandinavian is higher than British/American in Minnesota and the Dakotas.


German/Swiss 2,575,745 20.2%
British/American 1,525,857 12%


German/Swiss 2,330,785 20.1%
British/American 1,913,674 16.6%


German/Swiss 1,436,640 14.5%
British/American 1,361,176 13.8%


British/American 1,271,854 19.5%
German/Swiss 1,238,259 19%


German/Swiss 1,754,174 13.7%
British/American 1,278,170 9.9%


German/Swiss 1,926,135 33.8%
British/American 447,138 7.8%


German/Swiss 1,416,568 26.5%
(Scandinavian 925,397 17.3%)
British/American 412,484 7.7%


German/Swiss 914,118 29.8%
British/American 422,757 13.8%


German/Swiss 1,171,413 19.5%
British/American 1,132,025 18.8%


German/Swiss 658,401 23%
British/American 492,539 17.2%


German/Swiss 570,689 31%
British/American 178,069 9.7%

South Dakota

German/Swiss 273,877 33.2%
(Scandinavian 106,165 12.9%)
British/American 71,339 8.6%

North Dakota

German/Swiss 243,519 35.3%
(Scandinavian 169,569 24.6%)
British/American 46,167 6.8%
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Old 01-05-2016, 04:35 PM
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americans care so much about skin colors and so on.
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